Originally posted by scacchipazzoI think you may be a little hard on George here.Read this:
I'd love to see you do closing arguments in court. But Your Honor, he only plagiarized once. Therefore, he is not really a plagiarist. After all, no more lawsuits, Your Honor. You're very forgiving. I, on the other hand, lost all respect for the man. If he could not write a simplistic song like My Sweet Lord, what makes you think he really wrote the mor ...[text shortened]... At least lennon and mccartney appear to have written their post Beatles' schlock themselves.
In an interview published in the November 27, 1992 issue of Goldmine magazine, George Harrison stated that the events that occurred during the litigation of a claim that he had plagiarized the melody for his worldwide smash hit, "My Sweet Lord" from a hit single from 1963 called "He's So Fine" would fill a book. Maybe so, but this article is designed to boil down what happened in the court proceedings to a concise and understandable account of several years of litigation.
As with my prior article on the Lennon-Levy suit, I have gone to what I consider the primary source for my information: the written opinions published by the courts that passed judgment on the facts presented to it. (footnote 1) The court had to decide if Harrison had infringed the copyright of "He's So Fine" (or HSF) in composing "My Sweet Lord" (or MSL) and if so, then a determination as to the damages due to the holder of the copyright would have to be made.
HISTORICAL BACKGROUND OF THE CASE
The story starts in 1962, when "He's So Fine" was recorded. It was composed by Ronald Mack, recorded by the Chiffons, and was owned by Bright Tunes Music Corp. in 1971 (the opinion does not say if the song was originally published by Bright; however, as Paul McCartney can tell you, ownership of song copyrights can be transferred from one publishing company to another). It was a big hit in the United States, hitting the top of the Billboard charts for five weeks. (footnote 2) It was moderately successful in England, reaching Number 12 on one chart on June 1, 1963, a week that saw "From Me To You" topping the charts. Harrison acknowledged that he was familiar with "He's So Fine".
During the next seven years, "He's So Fine" was little more than a song that was played on the "golden oldies" request lines. Harrison had gone on with the Beatles to become wildly successful, and in 1970 was embarking on a solo career.
In December, 1969, George was playing in Copenhagen, Denmark, with Delaney and Bonnie and Friends. Billy Preston was part of that group. Harrison told the court that the song that became "My Sweet Lord" was conceived when he slipped away from a press conference and began "vamping" some guitar chords, fitting the chords to the words "Hallelujah" and "Hare Krishna." Later, members of the band joined in and lyrics were developed.
Harrison took the idea further during the following week. Upon returning to London, Preston went into the studio to make an album, and while George was not playing on the record, he was supervising the work. The unfinished "My Sweet Lord" was brought up, and was worked into a finished version. Part of this completed song included a second section that differed significantly from the first section (more on this below). Although the song apparently had many mid-wives, Harrison is solely credited with the birth of "My Sweet Lord". (footnote 3) The Preston recording was issued by Apple Records, and a "lead sheet" containing the melody, words and harmony was submitted for the United States copyright application.
However, it was not the version recorded and released by Billy Preston that led to two decades of litigation. George Harrison recorded a version of "My Sweet Lord" for his album, "All Things Must Pass," and released MSL as the first single from that album. It was released on November 28, 1970 in the United States and was a number one hit shortly thereafter.
On February 10, 1971, before it even completed its fourteen-week run on the chart, Bright Tunes filed suit against George, his English and American companies, (Harrisongs Music, Ltd. and Harrisongs Music, Inc., respectively), Apple Records, BMI, and Hansen Publications. For sake of ease of reading, a reference to Harrison is meant to refer to all defendants in the suit unless otherwise stated.
Very soon after the suit against Harrison was filed, Allen Klein, who was then acting as manager for Harrison, met with Seymour Barash, the president and major stockholder of Bright Tunes to try to resolve the dispute. (footnote 4)
Klein suggested that Harrison would be willing to purchase the entire Bright catalog; Barash had countered with a proposal that the copyright to MSL be surrendered to Bright, and Harrison would receive half of the proceeds derived from MSL.
No further progress was made toward a settlement, and preparations were made to defend the case. Klein assisted Harrison in finding musicologist Harold Barlow to give an opinion as to the lack of merit of the lawsuit and it was Klein that engaged the attorneys that defended Harrison.
The case was delayed on the court's docket when Bright Tunes was placed in receivership. During the interim, Harrison's contract with Klein was terminated in what proved to be a bitter parting of the ways (and another lawsuit involving the Beatles). After Bright's affairs were put in order so as to enable it to continue the case, settlement negotiations between Bright and Harrison resumed.
After much discussion, Harrison's best offer of $148,000 was made in January 1976, a few week's prior to the trial on the issue of whether or not MSL was too similar to HSF. That sum represented 40% of the writer and publisher's royalties earned in the United States by MSL, and further provided that Harrison would retain the copyright for MSL. The attorney for Bright viewed the offer as "a good one", but did not accept the offer, but rather raised its demand from 50% of the U.S. royalties to 75% of the worldwide receipts, and surrender of the MSL copyright.
Why did Bright turn down what was viewed as a good offer and make a counter that was so harsh to Harrison? What Harrison didn't know was that Klein had again entered into discussions with Bright Tunes to purchase all of Bright's stock, except at this time, he was not attempting to buy the stock for Harrison, but rather for ABKCO.
Seymour Barash, then the ex-president of Bright, wrote a letter to Howard Sheldon, the man overseeing the receivership of Bright, in which Barash noted that Klein's interest in purchasing Bright indicated that Klein, as a former insider, had little doubt as the outcome of the pending litigation. Klein's offer was a bit different than Harrison's, as he was to purchase the entire company that held the copyright, thus putting himself in Bright's position in the lawsuit.
Klein's offer prior to the determination of liability was a bit complicated. He offered to pay $100,000 for the right to purchase the company after the judge's ruling for an additional $160,000. (This procedure is termed "buying a call" on the stock. If Harrison won the suit, there would no incentive for Klein to finish the deal, or in trading parlance, "exercise his option".)
As part of his offer, Klein furnished Bright with information regarding the domestic royalties generated by MSL, and his own estimate on the overseas earnings as well as his estimate on the present and future value of the copyright.
Needless to say, Barash and the other stockholders weighed this offer carefully in deciding how to respond to the two offers they received. Barash remarked in a letter to Sheldon that since Klein was "in a position to know the true earnings of MSL, R offer should give all of us an indication of the true value of this copyright and litigation". Barash viewed the Klein offer as a starting point in negotiations, and armed with the additional financial information Klein provided, demanded that Harrison update his total sales figures before continuing settlement negotiations with Harrison. (footnote 5) As it turned out, neither Harrison nor Klein could reach a settlement with Bright before trial.
THE QUESTION OF LIABILITY FOR INFRINGEMENT
The suit was conducted in two phases, which makes perfectly good sense in litigation of this type. (footnote 6) It would be a waste of time for Harrison to prepare and deliver the financial information necessary to determine the amount due to Bright unless the judge found that Harrison had plagiarized, at least in part, HSF. The trial on the issue of liability was conducted on February 23-25, 1976. At that trial, the judge was called upon to make an analysis of the music of both HSF and MSL. (footnote 7) Both sides called expert witnesses to support their contentions, and Harrison himself testified about the process that occurred in writing MSL. After hearing the testimony and considering the evidence, the judge found MSL did indeed infringe upon HSF's copyright.
The Court noted that HSF incorporated two basic musical phrases, which were called "motif A" and "motif B". Motif A consisted of four repetitions of the notes "G-E-D" or "sol-mi- re"; B was "G-A-C-A-C" or "sol-la-do-la-do", and in the second use of motif B, a grace note was inserted after the second A, making the phrase "sol-la-do-la-re-do". The experts for each party agreed that this was a highly unusual pattern.
Harrison's own expert testified that although the individual motifs were common enough to be in the public domain, the combination here was so unique that he had never come across another piece of music that used this particular sequence, and certainly not one that inserted a grace note as described above.
Harrison's composition used the same motif A four times, which was then followed by motif B, but only three times, not four. Instead of a fourth repetition of motif B, there was a transitional phrase of the same approximate length. The original composition as performed by Billy Preston also contained the grace note after the second repetition of the line in motif B, but Harrison's version did not have this grace note.
Harrison's experts could not contest the basic findings of the Court, but did attempt to point out differences in the two songs. However, the judge found that while there may have been ...
Harrison's experts could not contest the basic findings of the Court, but did attempt to point out differences in the two songs. However, the judge found that while there may have been modest alterations to accommodate different words with a different number of syllables, the essential musical piece was not changed significantly. The experts also pointed out that Harrison's version of MSL omitted the grace note, but the judge ruled that this minor change did not change the genesis of the song as that which previously occurred in HSF.
With all the evidence pointing out the similarities between the two songs, the judge said it was "perfectly obvious . . . the two songs are virtually identical". The judge was convinced that neither Harrison nor Preston consciously set out to appropriate the melody of HSF for their own use, but such was not a defense.
Harrison conceded that he had heard HSF prior to writing MSL, and therefore, his subconscious knew the combination of sounds he put to the words of MSL would work, because they had already done so. Terming what occurred as subconscious plagiarism, the judge found that the case should be re-set for a trial on the issue of damages.
This ruling as to the copyright infringement was upheld on appeal with little comment. The appellate court noted that an infringement can be established when the holder of the copyright demonstrates that the second work is substantially similar to the protected work and the second composer had "access" to the first work. Harrison conceded that he had indeed heard HSF when it was popular, thus establishing the second point.
Harrison's main argument on appeal was that it was unsound policy to allow a finding of plagiarism based on subconscious copying, as there was no evidence that he purposely appropriated the melody of HSF for use in a composition he claimed as his own. This position was rejected by the appellate court, which pointed out that the Copyright Act did not require a showing of "intent to infringe" to support a finding of infringement.
THE DAMAGES PORTION OF THE CASE
After deciding that Harrison had indeed improperly used the property of the holder of HSF's copyright, the judge then had to decide how much money to award Bright Tunes in damages for this infringement. In order to do that, he had to find what sum was generated by MSL, and then decide the portion of that sum that was attributable to the melody from HSF.
To determine the earnings for MSL, the court looked at four principal sources of revenue for compositions: Mechanical royalties (footnote 8), performance royalties (footnote 9), sale of sheet music and folios, and the profits of Apple Records, Inc. Two of these were easy to calculate, as the judge needed only look at the accounting numbers for the performance royalty provided by BMI to learn that MSL earned $359,794 in such royalties, and another $67,675 in sheet music sales. The remaining two factors, however, proved to be a bit more of a problem to determine.
In deciding what figure to use for the mechanical royalties generated by MSL, the judge first noted that the amount attributable solely to that song was $260,103. This figure used the royalty earned solely by MSL as a single, and as an album track on both "All Things Must Pass" and "The Best Of George Harrison," totalled $260,103.
However, Bright also contended that the enormous success of MSL generated revenue for Harrison's other compositions on "All Things Must Pass" beyond that which they would have otherwise earned. The judge noted that on the single 45 RPM record, MSL was backed by "Isn't It A Pity" (footnote 10) which was not a hit single in its own right (footnote 11), and on the album, MSL was one of twenty-two Harrison songs, and only one of the other songs ("What Is Life"š achieved any significant degree of popularity.
Even though the earnings for MSL due to sales of All Things Must Pass was only 1/22 of the total mechanical royalties paid for the songs on that album, the judge agreed that the inclusion of MSL on the album did in fact boost the revenues of the "less-than-memorable" songs, and set out to devise a formula by which he could determine just how much revenue Harrison earned from his plagiarized song.
To make this determination, the court relied heavily, but not solely, on the amount of American airplay received by each song from "All Things Must Pass." Of the 22 songs on that album, only nine received enough airplay to be assigned a percentage of the total. "Wah-Wah", "Beware of Darkness", "Apple Scruffs", "Awaiting On You All", "All Things Must Pass", and "I Dig Love" were each found to have received one (1šµ percent of the total airplay; "Isn't It A Pity" had four (4šµ percent and "What Is Life" received twenty (20šµ percent. Therefore, whenever a song from "All Things Must Pass" was played by a radio station, seventy (70šµ percent of the time, the song was "My Sweet Lord". The judge thus ruled that seventy (70šµ of the total mechanical royalties from the single, and fifty (50šµ of the mechanical royalties earned by the album "All Things Must Pass" were attributable to MSL.
However, as far as "The Best of George Harrison" was concerned, the trial judge was unpersuaded that the earnings of that album were greatly enhanced by the inclusion of MSL, and since that album contained other songs which were relatively popular, the judge did not attribute any more than the actual mechanical royalties of MSL to the earnings of "The Best of George Harrison." Thus, using the formula as set forth for each release, the judge found that the gross earnings for the single attributable to MSL was $54,526; from "All Things Must Pass", $588,188; and from "The Best of George Harrison", $6,887, for a total of $646,601. (footnote 12)
The final piece of this financial puzzle was provided by examining the profits of Apple Records from MSL. Apple Records had a "spread" on the manufacturing of records. Boiled down to its simplest terms, the "spread" worked like this: Capitol Records had the facilities for making records. Apple Records paid Capitol Records a certain price to press its records, and then turned around and sold the finished product, which Capitol had just "delivered" to Apple, to Capitol Records Distributing Corp., for a higher price. The difference between what Apple paid Capitol for the production of its records and what Capitol paid Apple for the right to distribute the Apple product was the "spread". The judge applied his same formula to Apple's earnings from the "spread" and found those earnings attributable to MSL were: from the single, $130,629; from "All Things Must Pass", $925,731; from "The Best of George Harrison", $21,598, for a total of $1,077,958.
For those that don't have a calculator handy, the judge's figures for the total gross earnings of MSL were $2,152,028. This sum was reduced to $2,133,316 by the court allowing an offset for some agent's fees which Harrison had paid. However, before ordering that the entire earnings from MSL was due to Bright Tunes, the judge pointed out that there were some other factors present in this case. Harrison was an internationally known artist and he did provide a new lyric for the song. Had he been guilty of intentional plagiarism, even of the melody alone, the entire $2,133,316 would have been awarded to Bright.
After considering all the factors in the case, and conceding that this was not an area where precise measurement could be made, the judge found that three-fourth's of the success of MSL was due to the plagiarized tune, and one-fourth of that success was due to Harrison's name and the new words to the tune. The judge found that the introductory musical passage (the "hook"š was a minimal factor in the popularity of this song, and pointed out that this unique melody had already demonstrated its appeal when it carried an otherwise unexceptional love song to the top of the charts in 1963. Therefore, the trial judge concluded that $1,599,987 of the earnings of MSL were reasonably attributable to the music of "He's So Fine".
THE EFFECT OF KLEIN'S ENTRY INTO THE CASE
The damages portion of the case was originally scheduled for trial in November, 1976. However, it was not until February, 1981 that this case was decided by the district judge. The reason for the delay was that Bright Tunes sold its copyright and its rights in this litigation to ABKCO. Upon ABKCO entering the lawsuit, Harrison amended his pleading to assert that Klein had acted improperly in purchasing this company, so much so that he should be disqualified from recovering anything from Harrison. (Again, for sake of ease of reading, a reference to Klein also includes his company ABKCO.)
The ruling by the district judge, and upheld in large part by the appeals court, was that Klein was not entitled to profit from his purchase of Bright Tunes' rights in HSF. The judge ruled that Harrison need only prove that his former manager's intrusion into the settlement of the lawsuit prior to the trial on the issue of liability were to his "probable detriment"; Harrison was not required to show that a settlement would have been reached. The court cited that Klein's proposals to Bright were viewed as highly credible, due to Klein's unique position to know the value of the MSL copyright. The court also found that Klein acted improperly in giving financial information about MSL to Bright prior to the decision on the question of liability. The court held that it would not reward Klein for his breach of the fiduciary duty owed to Harrison, a duty that continued even after the principal-agent relationship ended.
However, rather than just have Klein hand over his ill-gotten gains, the judge ordered that Klein hold the rights to HSF in trust for Harrison, and those interests would be transferred to Harrison upon pay...
However, rather than just have Klein hand over his ill-gotten gains, the judge ordered that Klein hold the rights to HSF in trust for Harrison, and those interests would be transferred to Harrison upon payment of $587,000, plus interest, thus allowing Klein to "break even" on his purchase. This decision was upheld on appeal.
THE CURRENT STATUS OF THIS CASE
Even though the case had been in litigation for twelve years at the time the appellate court rendered its decision, the matter was far from over. The case lingered on for an additional eight years, as the parties contested just what rights Klein has purchased in 1978, how the settlement of a similar suit brought in England should be figured into Klein's purchase price, whether Klein should be allowed to deduct administrative fees from the song revenues (those revenues for HSF that were collected for Harrison under the terms of the trust), and other such accounting matters. The case was again in the appellate court in 1991, which ruled which credits against the original $587,000 award would be allowed, and sent the case back to Judge Owen's court for further proceedings.
A check with the judge's clerk in July, 1993, revealed that in April, 1993, an agreed order (meaning that all parties consented to the entry of the order) was entered at the trial court level, allowing certain funds to be dispersed to Harrison without having to be first placed in the registry of the court.
At the risk of sounding overly optimistic, all indications are that this case will finally be resolved before the end of the 20th century!
AUTHOR'S OBSERVATIONS
While I was in law school, I didn't take any courses specifically in copyright law, and had very little exposure to this field in my other courses. However, almost a dozen years later, I do recall one example that was used to illustrate a point in a course that surveyed the various remedies that are allowed in lawsuits. The professor brought a cassette tape with snippets of "My Sweet Lord" and "He's So Fine" into class and played them for us. I had owned the Harrison single for ten years at that point, had heard "He's So Fine" a few times, and was aware that there was a claim made that MSL had violated some copyright, but had never made the connection between the two songs. Hearing them in that context impressed upon me that the two songs were very similar, and I have never had any quarrel with the finding of Judge Owen that Harrison, however unwittingly, violated the copyright of HSF. As stated earlier, one that holds a copyright is not required to prove that an infringement was intentional.
I do take issue with a few things that Judge Owen did find in the area of damages. Before making these remarks, though, I should emphasize that Judge Owen and the judges who heard the appeals had the benefit of the briefs from the lawyers, and legal research into these areas that I have not done. If what follows sounds like second guessing, it is not so intended.
First, regarding the finding that 75% of the earnings of MSL could be attributed to the melody of HSF, Judge Owen admitted that making such an apportionment was an inexact science. Even so, giving only 25% credit to the success of MSL to the new lyrics and the fact that it was performed by one of the most popular musicians on the face of the earth in the early '70's seems to be unjustifiably low. The internal evidence of this is the lack of success of Billy Preston's version of the song. If the melody was such an integral part of the success of the song, then anyone that heard Preston's version should have been just as overwhelmed as they were by Harrison's. The fact that Harrison, not the relatively unknown (at that time) Preston, had the "hit" with MSL indicates that it was a lot more than a catchy melody that drove this song to the top of the charts.
Second, the decision that one-half of the mechanical royalties of the album "All Things Must Pass" were due to the plagiarized song is hard to understand. In my opinion, the fact that this was GEORGE HARRISON's first solo effort after the break-up of the Beatles was not given enough weight, nor was the fact that the critics who wrote for the rock press almost uniformly gave this record high marks. Whether or not MSL was included on this album, "All Things Must Pass" was going to sell very well. And there exists an argument that the "hit single" didn't propel this particular album to the heights that hit singles sometime do, because this was a triple record set, priced at twice the normal rate for a single album.
Third, while there was a lot of speculation on the percentages to be applied to Harrison's sales attributed to the plagiarized melody, there was an area of the damages that could have been resolved more fairly, and with less speculation. Klein was allowed to "break even" on the deal he made to buy the rights to HSF, and I'm not sure why. Judge Owen set out in great detail the series of events that transpired after Klein entered the picture acting on his own behalf, and based on these improper activities, Klein was not going to be allowed to profit from his wrongdoing.
But, in refusing to order that Klein forfeit the cost of the acquisition, the judge said "Had it been shown that Bright Tunes and Harrison were realistically close to a specific figure in their settlement negotiations, I could have utilized that figure for the resolution of the issue here". It was overlooked at this point in the opinion that the primary reason that Harrison and Bright Tunes weren't closer together was the fact that Klein was outbidding Harrison, and Harrison didn't know he was in a bidding war. It was only when Klein offered almost twice that which Harrison had put on the table that Bright Tunes concluded that the level of negotiation with Harrison was too low. As long as the judge was willing to speculate that the earnings of the song MSL were 75% due to the melody of HSF, and was further willing to guess that one-half of the earnings of "All Things Must Pass" were due to the inclusion of MSL on that album, I am at a loss as to why he was unable to apportion how much of the increase in the ultimate purchase price was due to Klein, guaranteeing that the case would not be settled prior to a ruling in Bright's favor on the issue of liability and thus driving up the purchase price. I would have thought that given the statement from Bright's attorney that Harrison's $148,000 offer to settle, prior to trial and prior to Klein's involvement, was "a good one" would have been ample evidence to reach a figure that would have been substantially lower than the $587,000 price Klein paid for Bright Tunes. Finding a lower figure to be appropriate would have left Klein in a situation where he lost money on his dealings, a conclusion that would have certainly been justified (and quite humorous as well).
Still, I find it funny that in after purchasing the rights to HSF, Klein offered to sell some of the rights to the song to his former client for $700,000. It is not clear that all rights Klein obtained would have been part of this deal, but Klein did Harrison a big favor, otherwise Harrison would have found himself facing payment of a judgment in the amount of $1.6 million dollars, and would not own the rights to HSF. While the legal expenses in this case are undoubtedly astronomical, Harrison should be able to take some comfort in the fact that Klein has had to pay his own fees, and has nothing to show for it, except a part in, without question, one of the longest running legal battles ever to be litigated in this country.
And there was one other benefit for Harrison; a second hit single entitled "This Song" which chronicled some of the travails of this litigation with lines like "This song has nothing Bright about it", and "as far as I know, don't infringe on anyone's copyright, so . . ." "This Song" wasn't as big a hit as MSL, but the revenue from it should have helped offset the costs of the litigation of the HSF suit.
My thanks to Allan Kozinn, for his help with some of the research and his input after reading the rough draft, and Professor Howard Brill of the University of Arkansas Law School, for exposing me to this case "all those years ago".
Quite informative, utherpendragon! Thanks for resting my case! Once a plagiarist always a plagiarist. So maybe it's the equivalent of manslaughter. Since there is still a corpse this does not change anything one bit. It's like being only a little pregnant. Harrison stole a song and thought he could get away with it. His confessing to have heard the song before was the last nail. Coming up with a song almost identicla to one from only seven years before is remarkably brazen. I would feel differently had it been a really old song and true unconcious copying.
Originally posted by scacchipazzoi agree scacchipazzo,just think your being a tad too hard on the ol'boy.Like,murder or manslaughter.Sometimes, $*it just happens but it does not make you a mass murderer or serial killer,does it ?š
Quite informative, utherpendragon! Thanks for resting my case! Once a plagiarist always a plagiarist. So maybe it's the equivalent of manslaughter. Since there is still a corpse this does not change anything one bit. It's like being only a little pregnant. Harrison stole a song and thought he could get away with it. His confessing to have heard the song ...[text shortened]... ly brazen. I would feel differently had it been a really old song and true unconcious copying.
Originally posted by utherpendragonI mention manslaughter only as the equivalent of committing a not completely volitional act. Of course these are different crimes, but malfeasance is malfeasance. Harrison was likely a good guy who otherwise sullied his own legacy through plagiarism. Had he acknowledged he was using the song or paid royalties then this would have been a non-issue. There have been countless instances of song similarities, most have been proven coincidental. This one was not. Look at history's prolific songwriters: Schubert, Wolff, Rodgers and Hammerstein, etc. Not one of these was accused nor suspected of plagiarism.
i agree scacchipazzo,just think your being a tad too hard on the ol'boy.Like,murder or manslaughter.Sometimes, $*it just happens but it does not make you a mass murderer or serial killer,does it ?š
Lastly, I am using the murder allusion simply to point out that once the crime is committed and the suspect found guilty of it he is always and forever tainted with said crime. Once you arrive there is no going back. I never said Harrison is a murderer, but a case could be made for probable, serial plagiarism or perhaps he paid off other songwriters for his great songs. To be fairly mediocre then come up with the two Abbey Rd songs is nothing short of remarkable. To then lift a blah song like MSL makes me suspicious.
Well I reckon there are relitively few musical notes in which to create a song so sometimes a song or parts of a song, melody, rythmn, beat and tempo, a base line, a riff are going to sound a little or a lot like another song. Many many times I hear a "new" song and there will be parts that remind me of a song I've known for years. I frequently listen to a new song and start humming or singing an old song It's simply the laws of probability. You do not have to be a George Harrison fan to believe that it is very likely he totally and innocently picked what ? three notes ? that are contained in an earlier written song
Originally posted by ManualEngineMore than that. Much more or he would not have lost. Indeed, what you say is true however and happens to be the case in most cases. I don't believe Harrison's was innocent at all. Go to clips of both. I believe he lost because of precisely contriving an artificial dissimilarity.
Well I reckon there are relitively few musical notes in which to create a song so sometimes a song or parts of a song, melody, rythmn, beat and tempo, a base line, a riff are going to sound a little or a lot like another song. Many many times I hear a "new" song and there will be parts that remind me of a song I've known for years. I frequently listen t ...[text shortened]... lly and innocently picked what ? three notes ? that are contained in an earlier written song
Originally posted by rwingettthe only one spouting crap and self indulgence is you, as usual.Take your ego and bitty intellect and go play w/FMF,no.1 moron and the like, over in the debate forum if you dont like it here. Clown!
Why has this thread been turned into a referendum on scacchipazzo's opinion of the individual post-Beatles? He has his opinion. It's crap, but he's entitled to it. Move on. All that is being accomplished here is to provide him with a forum for his preening self-indulgence.
Originally posted by utherpendragonDo you REALLY care what scacchipazzo has to say about the ex-Beatles? I find it mind boggling that anyone would go to this much effort to disabuse him of his opinions on the matter.
the only one spouting crap and self indulgence is you, as usual.Take your ego and bitty intellect and go play w/FMF,no.1 moron and the like, over in the debate forum if you dont like it here. Clown!
Originally posted by rwingettso what are you ? the freakin forum police? You decide whose opinions are worthy?you need to climb down off your high horse.either change the subject,start a new thread or get some where,but dont sit here and abuse some one for the sake of it. your comments do shed light on your character though.
Do you REALLY care what scacchipazzo has to say about the ex-Beatles? I find it mind boggling that anyone would go to this much effort to disabuse him of his opinions on the matter.
Originally posted by utherpendragonHis opinions are just as worthy as anyone else's. But as they are entirely subjective, it is pointless trying to talk him out of them. Musical tastes are not subject to "rational" argumentation. He's going to like what he likes. If it entertains you to listen to him pontificate on the perceived merits (or lack thereof) of the Beatles' solo careers, then so be it.
so what are you ? the freakin forum police? You decide whose opinions are worthy?you need to climb down off your high horse.either change the subject,start a new thread or get some where,but dont sit here and abuse some one for the sake of it. your comments do shed light on your character though.
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What all you geniuses seem to be forgetting is that the Beatles were a band for adolescents (star-struck little teenybopper girls.) You need to go back and listen to bands like Jefferson Airplane, Grateful Dead, and the Doors to hear adult music from that era. That is - if you're not to busy sorting your panties in your underwear drawer! š