06 May 23
@kellyjay said"there isn’t much grace for opposing views!"
I have never banned a book. Those that do ban books do it because of several different reasons and those who do are left leaning and right leaning. Persecution also is done by left and right leaning people, no political side has the upper hand in virtue or morality.
Humanity attacks each other for every reason under the sun, we justify it by accusing others of being less ...[text shortened]... love them. This will not end well if that doesn’t change, there isn’t much grace for opposing views!
"12 year olds should carry their pregnancy to term, even in case of rape or incest" is not an opposing view. It is a wrong view. A disgusting, morally reprehensible view. I don't give a fuk about you feelings or the "everyone is entitled to an opinion" crap. if you think that about 12 year olds, you are disgusting and you are wrong. We don't need to debate you, we just need to outvote you now and wait for you to die
06 May 23
@zahlanzi saidWhile talking about trans-genders and the biological differences between males and females you bring up rape and pregnancy, odd, but I suppose you did that just to get abortion into the discussion. I assume you did that because you think if you can get abortion into the discussion you win any argument because abortion is such a personal holy thing with those who believe it's always a just thing.
"there isn’t much grace for opposing views!"
"12 year olds should carry their pregnancy to term, even in case of rape or incest" is not an opposing view. It is a wrong view. A disgusting, morally reprehensible view. I don't give a fuk about you feelings or the "everyone is entitled to an opinion" crap. if you think that about 12 year olds, you are disgusting and you are wrong. We don't need to debate you, we just need to outvote you now and wait for you to die
In this case, it has nothing to do with the discussion and undermines your point of view, because females who portray themselves as males can get raped and they can get pregnant, while males who portray themselves as females can get raped, and never get pregnant, it goes back to biology over ideology once again.
Morally reprehensible in your case is all between your ears, you finding my saying that a male is a male disgusting, fine by me, I think you are taking part in a delusion that rejects reality over feelings, lusts, self-delusions. I can let males and females not act on changing anything about my views and nothing happens to them, while you allowing this deception to take place can see people mutilate themselves attempting to be something they are not, life-altering changes chemically and surgically. Concerning what is morally reprehensible and a disgusting view, I'll call out the one that would mutilate someone because they were told they are not who they were born to be, in their case when they were born mistakes were made.
06 May 23
@kellyjay said"While talking about trans-genders and the biological differences between males and females you bring up rape and pregnancy,"
While talking about trans-genders and the biological differences between males and females you bring up rape and pregnancy, odd, but I suppose you did that just to get abortion into the discussion. I assume you did that because you think if you can get abortion into the discussion you win any argument because abortion is such a personal holy thing with those who believe it's ...[text shortened]... re told they are not who they were born to be, in their case when they were born mistakes were made.
No no, you opened the door of "both sides are equal". I just walked through it. Now you backpedal. Uncomfortable?
"you finding my saying that a male is a male disgusting"
No, just ignorant. Ignorant of the fact biological gender and someone identifying as male, female, non binary, none is not the same thing. Ignorant of just how much they are being hurt by society not accepting them, ignorant of how much harm republican laws targeting them are doing and the fact that republicans are waging this culture war to disguise the fact that they have no fukin idea how to govern otherwise and solve their constituents economical problems.
I don't think you're a bad person (yet). Just ignorant
@zahlanzi saidThe point is and it is very simple, males are males, females are females when it comes to biology, nothing about anything I have said makes me uncomfortable I'm simply looking at reality I'm not attempting to make anyone anything they are not.
"While talking about trans-genders and the biological differences between males and females you bring up rape and pregnancy,"
No no, you opened the door of "both sides are equal". I just walked through it. Now you backpedal. Uncomfortable?
"you finding my saying that a male is a male disgusting"
No, just ignorant. Ignorant of the fact biological gender and someone ident ...[text shortened]... ve their constituents economical problems.
I don't think you're a bad person (yet). Just ignorant
You have to explain how saying a male, is a male, is ignorant, it is what it is, you can't have a female transition into being a female she is one without any effort of alteration or masking through dress and makeup, everything about her biology says she is a female. Only those who wish to be something other than what they are do these things apply.
This isn't a political struggle, if it were the sides would be drawn, but they are not the debate is on both sides of the political spectrum, and even those that sided with your position have changed their minds sometimes after they have gone the extra steps and screwed up their bodies attempting to be something they were not.
06 May 23
@kellyjay said"The point is and it is very simple, males are males, females are females when it comes to biology"
The point is and it is very simple, males are males, females are females when it comes to biology, nothing about anything I have said makes me uncomfortable I'm simply looking at reality I'm not attempting to make anyone anything they are not.
You have to explain how saying a male, is a male, is ignorant, it is what it is, you can't have a female transition into being a f ...[text shortened]... they have gone the extra steps and screwed up their bodies attempting to be something they were not.
it's not about biology
"nothing about anything I have said makes me uncomfortable I'm simply looking at reality I'm not attempting to make anyone anything they are not."
You are. You are trying to force a biological girl viewing themselves as a male to live as a girl. They hate that they have breasts they hate how they look, they never want to have children . They are not female, not their identity. You are denying them hormone therapy even though it's none of your business on the sole reason that YOU know best and YOU should decide for them. You are voting for those that would step in an tell people how to live their lives.
"You have to explain how saying a male, is a male, is ignorant"
You are talking about two different things and you are ignorant they are different. If you say "this man is a mammal" and I say "this man is poor" we both may have said true things , yet the man needs living assistance, a job, healthcare. He doesn't give a fuk you keep calling him a mammal, he doesn't need to be labeled for a natural history museum exhibit.
"you can't have a female transition into being a female"
What is this nonsense. That person already is what she wants to be. What's the point of this. We're talking about someone born some way and wanting to be different. If someone dies their hair blonde is it any of your fukin business? are you going to scream in their face constantly "you weren't born this way, you're a liar". Now also imagine you vote for someone banning hair dyes.
"This isn't a political struggle"
For them, it is
"if it were the sides would be drawn"
What the fuk are you talking about. Name one democrat state trying to ban trans people.
"those that sided with your position have changed their minds sometime after they have gone the extra steps and screwed up their bodies attempting to be something they were not."
first of all, a minuscule minority have reversed their transition. Secondly, that's their choice as well. Personal choice. And none of your business.
@zahlanzi saidI'm not forcing anyone to do anything, I'm simply pointing out that some people are attempting to be something other than what they are. So they may hate themselves, you don't have to want to be male thinking I'd like to be a girl that will make it better for that to happen. Those types of feelings come and go, and with the young, they may feel it intensely but even they can have good and bad days.
"The point is and it is very simple, males are males, females are females when it comes to biology"
it's not about biology
"nothing about anything I have said makes me uncomfortable I'm simply looking at reality I'm not attempting to make anyone anything they are not."
You are. You are trying to force a biological girl viewing themselves as a male to live as a girl. The ...[text shortened]... their transition. Secondly, that's their choice as well. Personal choice. And none of your business.
What you are suggesting in this promotion of gender swapping is that to be something other than what you are, become something else, is the answer. Instead of realizing the great worth and uniqueness each of us brings to humanity as we are, instead of embracing that hate, learn to love yourself right where they are, because even after a transitional surgery or some chemicals getting introduced into their bodies, who they are remains the same.
06 May 23
@kellyjay said"I'm not forcing anyone to do anything,"
I'm not forcing anyone to do anything, I'm simply pointing out that some people are attempting to be something other than what they are. So they may hate themselves, you don't have to want to be male thinking I'd like to be a girl that will make it better for that to happen. Those types of feelings come and go, and with the young, they may feel it intensely but even they c ...[text shortened]... ional surgery or some chemicals getting introduced into their bodies, who they are remains the same.
Are you voting for republicans?
" simply pointing out that some people are attempting to be something other than what they are"
And i simply explained why you're ignorant for it. Your entire premise is wrong. They are trying to become what they are in their view of themselves. it's moving towards their truer self. You just don't agree with what their true self is. You view men as meat sack with a penis and women as walking wombs. what about men considering themselves men who never want to have children? Are they real men? they are going against nature,l.
"So they may hate themselves, you don't have to want to be male thinking I'd like to be a girl that will make it better for that to happen. Those types of feelings come and go, and with the young, they may feel it intensely but even they can have good and bad days.
What you are suggesting in this promotion of gender swapping is that to be something other than what you are, become something else, is the answer. Instead of realizing the great worth and uniqueness each of us brings to humanity as we are, instead of embracing that hate, learn to love yourself right where they are, because even after a transitional surgery or some chemicals getting introduced into their bodies, who they are remains the same."
And you know that better than them, right? Or their doctors. Or their parents? You get to choose what they ought to be?
What if someone said religion is nonsense? What if someone banned churches of any kind, because they know better what a person ought to think and feel. These religious feelings come and go, rather than focusing on them, just embrace atheism.
@zahlanzi saidDifficult to find one’s truth self when you reject who you are. Biology doesn’t change with the wind. I have not made this about a religious worldview I have stayed with a very simple truth, men are men and women are women.
"I'm not forcing anyone to do anything,"
Are you voting for republicans?
" simply pointing out that some people are attempting to be something other than what they are"
And i simply explained why you're ignorant for it. Your entire premise is wrong. They are trying to become what they are in their view of themselves. it's moving towards their truer self. You just don't ...[text shortened]... and feel. These religious feelings come and go, rather than focusing on them, just embrace atheism.
You are pushing reality can change due to hate and so on as if our thoughts can alter reality when in fact they only touch our opinions and worldviews not reality it self.
06 May 23
@kellyjay saidthird post of you saying the exact same crap while not bothering to address any point i make.
Difficult to find one’s truth self when you reject who you are. Biology doesn’t change with the wind. I have not made this about a religious worldview I have stayed with a very simple truth, men are men and women are women.
You are pushing reality can change due to hate and so on as if our thoughts can alter reality when in fact they only touch our opinions and worldviews not reality it self.
this exercise in futility is over
07 May 23
@suzianne saidSuzie,
I am a woman because in my head I am a woman.
I just so happened to be lucky to be born in the right body.
Some are not so lucky, but you simply don't give a damn. They make you uncomfortable, and so how dare they make you uncomfortable.
I don't give a damm what anybody's gender is, including yours, because you don't flaunt it.
But I get quite "uncomfortable" if ANY person parades around making it well known what their gender is.
Would you like to see males in your face all the time telling you how manly they are?
It gets sickening after a while, ya know.
@wildgrass said.
Since this is your thread, maybe you should define it. None of the other right wingers seem capable.
By today's standards, no I can't. But I don't feel so bad as a recent female SJC nominee could not either!
Can you tell the difference between a buck and a doe... a bull and a cow?? Not without interviewing them!!
Still like this system of categorizing by mind instead of the body? It used to be simple 🙁
07 May 23
@suzianne saidPssssttt.. Suzie,
I do not need to provide "proof".
My body happens to match the self I know myself as.
That's my whole point.
You asking others, whose body doesn't match the self they know themselves to be, for their proof is preposterous and insulting, as if they don't know themselves.
Did you ever hear of liars? Some do this for fun and profit. Yes, Suzie
Suzieanne - see "fun and profit" below.
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Florida man wins women’s poker tournament: ‘Insanity’
A Florida man is facing backlash after competing in a women’s poker tournament and winning.
David Hughes participated in a $250 buy-in Ladies No-Limit Hold’em (Re-Entry) event at the World Series of Poker’s Ladies event at the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino in Hollywood, Florida, over the weekend. And social media was quick to skewer the gambler, the Las Vegas Review Journal reported.
Hughes, a 70-year-old from Delton, Florida, was allowed to enter the all-female tournament alongside 82 women.
Per its anti-discrimination legislation, Florida casinos by law cannot ban men from entering into a women’s tournament.
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https://nypost.com/2023/05/03/florida-man-wins-womens-poker-tournament-insanity/
