A righteous law or court ruling.

@kellyjay said
Yes, the laws against murder have stopped that from occurring everywhere. Unless you can tell me how to tell the difference when someone who wants to be a woman, and someone who wants a woman if they both dress as women why would you put females at risk for ideology?

Only post op / medical therapy trans women allowed in cis women’s safe spaces.
No your right there is no law you can pass to stop the predatory nature of straight men, are you advocating the castration of all straight men?

@earl-of-trumps said
@sonhouse said - "This has something to do with a corrupt SCOTUS how?"

So you disagree with the Supreme Court, therefor, it is corrupt!
You must be one of those self-righteous preachers!

It’s certainly unrepresentative of the American people and the more it forces ultra right wing opinions down the throats of the centrist majority the more corrupted its original purpose will be.
And there’s also the Clarence Thomas thing

@kevcvs57 said
Only post op / medical therapy trans women allowed in cis women’s safe spaces.
No your right there is no law you can pass to stop the predatory nature of straight men, are you advocating the castration of all straight men?

Men are predatory by nature, even men who dress up as women are still men, it is a distinction without a difference. When you attempt to put up a distinction between men who claim to be women the only difference is superficial. Have you noticed the violent reactions from these men who dress up as women when women speak up about women's rights or about having to compete in sports against men?

@kellyjay said
Men are predatory by nature, even men who dress up as women are still men, it is a distinction without a difference. When you attempt to put up a distinction between men who claim to be women the only difference is superficial. Have you noticed the violent reactions from these men who dress up as women when women speak up about women's rights or about having to compete in sports against men?

No your missing my point, hopefully not by design, straight cis men dressing as women to gain access the safe spaces of women are a danger to women, actual transgender women are not and society must come up with some way of protecting cis and transgender women without demonising or oppressing either.
I understand that you do not accept that trans women even exist and you need to label them as perverts and predators, but they do exist and they are neither perverts or predators.
I’ve answered your quandary regarding the difference between predatory cis straight men and transgender women but I’ll repeat that post op and trans women well down the chemical therapy path are the only trans women that should be allowed into women’s safe spaces. It’s hard on trans women who do not wish to, or cannot access gender confirmation therapy but cis women have a right to feel safe from predatory cis straight men.

@kevcvs57 said
No your missing my point, hopefully not by design, straight cis men dressing as women to gain access the safe spaces of women are a danger to women, actual transgender women are not and society must come up with some way of protecting cis and transgender women without demonising or oppressing either.
I understand that you do not accept that trans women even exist and you ne ...[text shortened]... gender confirmation therapy but cis women have a right to feel safe from predatory cis straight men.

Actual transgender men who call themselves women are still men, biology does not change. Oppressing women by allowing and even saying its good for men to follow them into bathrooms, and showers, competing against women in sports because they cannot compete against other men is no less oppressive and to turn around and demonize those that say that is also self-serving for those who do act that way counter to their biology.

They exist, they can call themselves whatever they want but they should not be considered anything other than what they are and no one should be forced to accept their delusions as a biological fact.

@kellyjay said
Actual transgender men who call themselves women are still men, biology does not change. Oppressing women by allowing and even saying its good for men to follow them into bathrooms, and showers, competing against women in sports because they cannot compete against other men is no less oppressive and to turn around and demonize those that say that is also self-serving for tho ...[text shortened]... other than what they are and no one should be forced to accept their delusions as a biological fact.

Explain why you are so concerned about what you regard as other peoples delusions?
I’ve already said that the safety of cis women must be paramount.
Your trying to force someone to accept your prejudices regarding themselves they can call themselves whatever they like and civil society should support their choice, if you choose to be ignorant enough to not acknowledge their choice that is your choice but for someone who has a track record of insisting that supernatural beings are real this zealous adherence to the concepts of biology seem a bit hollow and opportunistic IMO.

@kevcvs57 said
Explain why you are so concerned about what you regard as other peoples delusions?
I’ve already said that the safety of cis women must be paramount.
Your trying to force someone to accept your prejudices regarding themselves they can call themselves whatever they like and civil society should support their choice, if you choose to be ignorant enough to not acknowledge the ...[text shortened]... are real this zealous adherence to the concepts of biology seem a bit hollow and opportunistic IMO.

I am simply pointing out biological differences remain no matter what someone desires to be called. All your other complaints about my side of this discussion actually have nothing to do with anything I have said. If you want to pass off as normal alternatives to reality with respect to biology that is fine, suggesting others must do the same is insisting others follow your worldview despite biological reality.

Why are you concerned about my religious faith when I have said nothing about it?

@kellyjay said
I am simply pointing out biological differences remain no matter what someone desires to be called. All your other complaints about my side of this discussion actually have nothing to do with anything I have said. If you want to pass off as normal alternatives to reality with respect to biology that is fine, suggesting others must do the same is insisting others follow your ...[text shortened]... ogical reality.

Why are you concerned about my religious faith when I have said nothing about it?

Have you heard of hormone treatment and gender affirmation therapy. It’s nothing like as simple as you seem to think, why do men have those things on their chests that are only any use if you’re going to breastfeed?
Male / Female is a continuum like most characteristics in humans, the only reason I can see for stance is that you believe we were created by supreme being and that supreme isn’t happy if we diverge from its plan.
I’m sure as medical science progresses your argument will become more and more ridiculous.

@kevcvs57 said
Have you heard of hormone treatment and gender affirmation therapy. It’s nothing like as simple as you seem to think, why do men have those things on their chests that are only any use if you’re going to breastfeed?
Male / Female is a continuum like most characteristics in humans, the only reason I can see for stance is that you believe we were created by supreme being and ...[text shortened]... ts plan.
I’m sure as medical science progresses your argument will become more and more ridiculous.

What in anything you have said alters a biological male into a female? Exactly why are you bringing up God, do you wish to take this to Spiritual forum? You in favor of altering children’s body chemically or by physical alterations?