18 Aug 05
Originally posted by no1marauderNothing about life is pure and simple. Especially the emotional and mental development of future generations.
Blah, blah, blah. The moral issues can be dealt with by parents, clergy, whoever. The public schools should treat it as a health issue, pure and simple.
18 Aug 05
I don't understand the objection to teaching kids about STD prevention. If abstinance, then no disease, 99.999...% effective. If condom, then maybe disease, XXX% chance. Etc. Kids can make choices according to their morality better if they understand what exactly they are making choices about.
Can you imagine Ivanhoe teaching kids about "safe sex"? He misrepresents the whole concept! I was taught about "safer sex", not "safe sex". How about those parents who are totally ignorant and too proud to admit it?
18 Aug 05
Originally posted by AThousandYoungCan you imagine Ivanhoe teaching kids about "safe sex"? He misrepresents the whole concept!
I don't understand the objection to teaching kids about STD prevention. If abstinance, then no disease, 99.999...% effective. If condom, then maybe disease, XXX% chance. Etc. Kids can make choices according to their morality better if they understand what exactly they are making choices about.
Can you imagine Ivanhoe teaching kids about "safe ...[text shortened]... , not "safe sex". How about those parents who are totally ignorant and too proud to admit it?
Can you elaborate on this, please.
18 Aug 05
Originally posted by mokkoOK fine, say it's the parents' job to teach the other stuff.
Alright, think back, way back for some, to when you were a teenager. I remember our sex ed classes in school. They begin here in grade 4. It was mainly an anatomy course. Each year it was the same old reguritated crap. Ovaries, testicles, menstration ect. There was birth control methods and the dreaded fears of STDs sure. but ultimately though, as a teenager, ...[text shortened]... em. There is way more to sex education than the naming of body parts and the prevention of STDs.
What is wrong with the schools showing anatomy, teaching the basics etc?
18 Aug 05
Originally posted by ivanhoeListen to yourself: "I myself once believed"...Who are you, St. Augustine? You clearly despise the mob (or pity them, which amounts to the same thing).
No Bosse ! I myself once believed in the "Interpretation of the Mob" and not only in the field of sex ...... what a hoax it is, what a grand illusion is being sold to the public .... freedom, that precious gift, is being elevated to idolatrous levels.
I had to find out the truth the hard way ..... I hope others are more sensible then I was. Your sarcastic remarks and comments do not indicate such an attitude.
Since you raised the question of your sexual history, why don't you elaborate on it--tell us how you sinned, master, and how you were brought to the light--tantalise us with dark revelations of sexuality so that our minds may be drawn into your snake-charmer's narrative, that we may bow down before--you?
18 Aug 05
Originally posted by ivanhoeYou should disqualify yourself from this because your church teaches that condom use is birth control and is against any form of birth control except the rhythm method. That's your hidden agenda.
Can you imagine Ivanhoe teaching kids about "safe sex"? He misrepresents the whole concept!
Can you elaborate on this, please.
18 Aug 05
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Originally posted by ivanhoeProper sex educators do not use the term "safe sex". They use the term "safer sex". You bring up the strawman that sex education is about teaching "safe sex" and then proceed to attack it.
Can you imagine Ivanhoe teaching kids about "safe sex"? He misrepresents the whole concept!
Can you elaborate on this, please.
EDIT - Heh. KneverKnight, can I ask you to post in response to any post that has a "straw man fallacy"?
18 Aug 05
Originally posted by AThousandYoungYou may. 🙂
Proper sex educators do not use the term "safe sex". They use the term "safer sex". You bring up the strawman that sex education is about teaching "safe sex" and then proceed to attack it.
EDIT - Heh. KneverKnight, can I ask you to post in response to any post that has a "straw man fallacy"?
I'm not on much any more though, still too damn much ...
18 Aug 05
Originally posted by AThousandYoungYou're very clever .... but I guess you missed the thread's title, genius .... "Abstinance Education v. Safe Sex Education"......
Proper sex educators do not use the term "safe sex". They use the term "safer sex". You bring up the strawman that sex education is about teaching "safe sex" and then proceed to attack it.
EDIT - Heh. KneverKnight, can I ask you to post in response to any post that has a "straw man fallacy"?
You're on the wrong addres so to speak ..... there is no such thing as "safe sex" ... we agree on that.
18 Aug 05
Originally posted by ivanhoeWhat about masturbation? That's sex. Seems safe. If you do it right.
You're very clever .... but I guess you missed the thread's title, genius .... "Abstinance Education v. Safe Sex Education"......
You're on the wrong addres so to speak ..... there is no such thing as "safe sex" ... we agree on that.
🙂
And often...
18 Aug 05
Originally posted by Bosse de NageBdN: " You clearly despise the mob (or pity them, which amounts to the same thing)."
Listen to yourself: "I myself once believed"...Who are you, St. Augustine? You clearly despise the mob (or pity them, which amounts to the same thing).
Since you raised the question of your sexual history, why don't you elaborate on it--tell us how you sinned, master, and how you were brought to the light--tantalise us with dark revelations of s ...[text shortened]... t our minds may be drawn into your snake-charmer's narrative, that we may bow down before--you?
I distrust the mob regarding the interpretation of the Natural Moral Law. That is quite another point of view.
BdN: "Since you raised the question of your sexual history, why don't you elaborate on it ..... "
... ha ha ha .... you wouldn't raise one but two eyebrows Bosse .... at the same time ..... ha ha ha.
18 Aug 05
Originally posted by ivanhoeOops. OK. Socialist1917, teaching "safe sex" is a poor idea because it teaches kids the falsehood that one can have sex (with someone else, happy wib?) without any risk of catching STDs.
You're very clever .... but I guess you missed the thread's title, genius .... "Abstinance Education v. Safe Sex Education"......
You're on the wrong addres so to speak ..... there is no such thing as "safe sex" ... we agree on that.
I apologize ivanhoe.
18 Aug 05
The more avenues a young person to find out about sex the better.
It matters not so much where or who the info comes from, but whether or not it is balanced by other people/films/sexual info.
Then you can let the young person decide whether or not to experiment with sex.
But boys and girls are naturally curious!