02 Sep 08
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Originally posted by SickboySure, why not? The cops should be able to check out anyone who they think is suspicious. It's their call as far as I'm concerned.
Clearly, dress has many affects on first impressions. "Dress for Success" for example, yada yada
But are you saying that officers should stop people based on how they dress? Example: guy is dressed in Saudi garb. Should he be stopped on suspicion of terrorism?
Now if the man began screaming how the cops are Christian stooges of the Zionist regime, and refused to be searched under his loose robes despite being at an airport or dance club full of Jews...then he's very suspicious, and it's not racism to acknowlege that. He could be a black man or a Nordic man dressed like that, saying those things; it's still suspicious.
Likewise, if someone's dressing like Eminem and talking about how the "pigs" are "just another gang" and being openly hostile to the police, they are suspicious. But if some kid in a hoodie and baseball cap politely talks to the police when they call him over, they should move on, despite that combination being commonly used to hide the face of criminals.
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02 Sep 08
Originally posted by AThousandYoungI wasn't disagreeing, just clarifying the question. I think I disagree with you though that it isn't racism (ie, stopping to search an Arab because their Arab).
Sure, why not? The cops should be able to check out anyone who they think is suspicious. It's their call as far as I'm concerned.
Now if the man began screaming how the cops are Christian stooges of the Zionist regime, and refused to be searched under his loose robes despite being at an airport or dance club full of Jews...then he's very suspiciou ...[text shortened]... d move on, despite that combination being commonly used to hide the face of criminals.
That is if you accept the definition of racism as I do: Taking an action or suppressing an action specifically due to the race of the individual.
ie. a "race-driven" choice/action (ie, not with any connotation of "hate" attached to it).
But If i assume you don't accept my definition and to you profiling continues to not be racist in nature. Do you think affirmative action is racist? Why or why not?
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02 Sep 08
Originally posted by WulebgrI said I thought affirmative action was supportable. Not that we had actually engaged in it. The thread was attempt to discuss the theories behind each. Where they are similar and where they are different. If you don't want to do that. Fine. If not, fine. But you and Sam both seem to be attributing malice from my comments toward you. None was intended.
You demonstrated such appalling ignorance that I had no reason to read further
02 Sep 08
Originally posted by SickboyOkay. I'll go back and read the rest of the post.
I said I thought affirmative action was support[b]able. Not that we had actually engaged in it. The thread was attempt to discuss the theories behind each. Where they are similar and where they are different. If you don't want to do that. Fine. If not, fine. But you and Sam both seem to be attributing malice from my comments toward you. None was intended.[/b]
02 Sep 08
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Originally posted by SickboyWho said anything about stopping an Arab because they're Arab? You asked if Saudi clothing might be suspicious on occasion.
I wasn't disagreeing, just clarifying the question. I think I disagree with you though that it isn't racism (ie, stopping to search an Arab because their Arab).
That is if you accept the definition of racism as I do: Taking an action or suppressing an action specifically due to the race of the individual.
ie. a "race-driven" choice/action (ie, not w to not be racist in nature. Do you think affirmative action is racist? Why or why not?
I'm not sure if 'racist' is the right term for affirmative action, since I don't think AA is intended in a hostile way. Maybe it is. I don't like it, but I have some sympathy for the idea. In any case I never suggested doing anything based on race. I said clothing and how they carry themselves. A guy in aggressive alpha male mode, looking for conflict, carries himself differently from a man who is having a nice walk and who's happy because he got a new lawnmower.
I oppose affirmative action and racial profiling. There's the quick, clear answer.