18 Sep 09
There seem to have been a lot of very ominous stories coming out of Afghanistan for quite a long time. Leaders in the US and UK have been publicly renewing their alleged steadfastness and determination - which is usually a really bad sign.
Is it possible that it's a lost war already, for all intents and purposes?
Would the geopolitical consequences of this loss really be as dire as US and UK leaders have claimed?
18 Sep 09
Originally posted by FMFWell they certainly do not want to loose control of the opium. I believe if the US pulled out, the opium money would transfer to different hands. It would also send out a message that through perseverance, a super power can be defeated. Of course Viet Nam already proved that.
There seem to have been a lot of very ominous stories coming out of Afghanistan for quite a long time. Leaders in the US and UK have been publicly renewing their alleged steadfastness and determination - which is usually a really bad sign.
Is it possible that it's a lost war already, for all intents and purposes?
Would the geopolitical consequences of this loss really be as dire as US and UK leaders have claimed?
18 Sep 09
Originally posted by joe beyserNo superpower in history has ever succeeded in military victory in Afghanistan. I can't see the present forces achieving a different outcome. The coalition will just redefine the terms of victory so that they can eventually withdraw without losing face.
Well they certainly do not want to loose control of the opium. I believe if the US pulled out, the opium money would transfer to different hands. It would also send out a message that through perseverance, a super power can be defeated. Of course Viet Nam already proved that.
18 Sep 09
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Originally posted by joe beyserLike Veitnam and Iraq, the problem is that the enemy is not confined to the borders yet we cannot breach those borders......legally. In fact, the insurgence in Afghanistan comes mainly from Pakistan. Of course, Pakistan is a political hot potato for which noting will be done other than hand slapping. I even hear that the majority who are indeginous to Afghanistan hate the Taliban. You might even say its kinda like the Zionists taking over the holy land minus the outcry from the rest of the world?
Well they certainly do not want to loose control of the opium. I believe if the US pulled out, the opium money would transfer to different hands. It would also send out a message that through perseverance, a super power can be defeated. Of course Viet Nam already proved that.
I think the big quesiton to be asked is, what is there to gain from being there and at what point have these goals been accomplished? In fact, have the goals even been clearly stated?
18 Sep 09
Originally posted by whodeyThey seriously want to keep the taliban from getting the opium money.
Like Veitnam and Iraq, the problem is that the enemy is not confined to the borders yet we cannot breach those borders......legally. In fact, the insurgence in Afghanistan comes mainly from Pakistan. Of course, Pakistan is a political hot potato for which noting will be done other than hand slapping. I even hear that the majority who are indeginous to Afgh ...[text shortened]... hat point have these goals been accomplished? In fact, have the goals even been clearly stated?
18 Sep 09
Originally posted by whodeyWhat are you talking about? LOL! There are troops in Afghanistan, opposing and resisting the Taliban, from the United States, the United Kingdom, Germany, Italy, France, Canada, Poland, Netherlands, Turkey, Australia, Romania, Bulgaria, Spain, Denmark, Belgium, Norway, the Czech Republic, Croatia, Sweden, Hungary, Slovakia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Latvia, New Zealand, Albania, Estonia, Greece, Finland, Azerbaijan, Slovenia, Portugal, the United Arab Emirates, Singapore, Ukraine, Luxembourg, Iceland, Ireland, Jordan, Austria, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Georgia. You conjure daft assertions and theories out of thin air! How many troops - from how many of these countries - are currently opposing or resisting Zionists in the 'Holy Land'?
You might even say its kinda like the Zionists taking over the holy land minus the outcry from the rest of the world?
18 Sep 09
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Originally posted by FMFBut this is after 9/11. Where were these troops before 9/11? Was not the Taliban in control?
What are you talking about? LOL! There are troops in Afghanistan, opposing and resisting the Taliban, from the United States, the United Kingdom, Germany, Italy, France, Canada, Poland, Netherlands, Turkey, Australia, Romania, Bulgaria, Spain, Denmark, Belgium, Norway, the Czech Republic, Croatia, Sweden, Hungary, Slovakia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Latvia, New Zeal ...[text shortened]... how many of these countries - are currently opposing or resisting Zionists in the 'Holy Land'?
18 Sep 09
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Originally posted by whodeyIt was American militarists who said that said 9/11 changed everything. Zionists will eventually have to share the Levant with its indigenous peoples in a more just way, just as, ultimately, the Taliban will be no more able to impose their will permanently on Afghanistan than any number of European armies have been able to over the years. There are currently 40 or more countries in Afghanistan trying to rectify the situation there. Maybe this gives us a clue as to how a just settlement in Palestine might one day be achieved: a coalition of a few dozen countries from around the world using military muscle to rectify the intolerable status quo there. Not sure it's the solution I would choose, but perhaps it's another possibility in the future
But this is after 9/11. Where were these troops before 9/11? Was not the Taliban in control?
18 Sep 09
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Originally posted by FMFSo you are in favor of UN troops in Afghanistan indefinately?
It was American militarists who said that said 9/11 changed everything. Zionists will eventually have to share the Levant with its indigenous peoples in a more just way, just as, ultimately, the Taliban will be no more able to impose their will permanently on Afghanistan than any number of European armies have been able to over the years. There are currently 40 ...[text shortened]... Not sure it's the solution I would choose, but perhaps it's another possibility in the future
As for Israel, I invision a time when the world decides to impose their will on her, much like they did in Iraq or Afghanistan. Lets just hope it is not armageddon, shall we? 😛
18 Sep 09
Originally posted by FMFWhat, exactly, was the war about originally?
There seem to have been a lot of very ominous stories coming out of Afghanistan for quite a long time. Leaders in the US and UK have been publicly renewing their alleged steadfastness and determination - which is usually a really bad sign.
Is it possible that it's a lost war already, for all intents and purposes?
Would the geopolitical consequences of this loss really be as dire as US and UK leaders have claimed?
So yeah. It's a lost cause.