26 May 06
Originally posted by AThousandYoungIf you cannot read and understand the following, you should stop posting.
YOU SAID that you, like activists, "are motivated less by a desire for animal welfare than by a hatred of humanity." Stop changing the subject.
As one writer in The Tmes put it (and i'm paraphrasing here) some of these "activitists" are motivated less by a desire for animal welfare than by a hatred of humanity. Pretty well sums it up for me.
27 May 06
Originally posted by xsLOL. I'm just giving you a hard time. I'll stop.
If you cannot read and understand the following, you should stop posting.
As one writer in The Tmes put it (and i'm paraphrasing here) some of these "activitists" are motivated less by a desire for animal welfare than by a hatred of humanity. Pretty well sums it up for me.
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27 May 06
Originally posted by corp1131we need new drugs ? yes ... for Alzheimer's disease, AIDS cure, Malaria chloroquine resistant disease, Diabetes Mellitus, many types of cancer not curable today , rheumatologic diseases ( most of them controlled but not cured ) ... and so on ...
Depends how you define need. Animal tests are needed to develop new drugs, but are new drugs needed? Do we have a right to kill animals in the hope we may find cures for diseases? Or should we halt animal testing until the alternatives (computer modelling) become viable in 30, 50 100 or 200 years time?
we have the right to kill animals ? no ! no way ! in fact many drugs approved have been released and then retired when the medical community report side-effects in human patients : the list include grepafloxacine ( a quinolone ), terfenadine, astemizol, meloxicam, etc. etc ... I cannot trust in medical companies anymore ... they are manipulating the media and the medical societies ( even with money, travels, conferences, supporting meetings, etc ) ... 😠😳ðŸ˜
27 May 06
Originally posted by xsLike many of the anti-hunt brigade who are activated more by hatred of the 'uppper class' (as they fantasise) than by love of foxes.
If you cannot read and understand the following, you should stop posting.
As one writer in The Tmes put it (and i'm paraphrasing here) some of these "activitists" are motivated less by a desire for animal welfare than by a hatred of humanity. Pretty well sums it up for me.
27 May 06
Originally posted by Positional PlayerI was going to ask him about this statement too but, to be fair, he did say "many", he didn't say all. I imagine there are a proportion of anti-hunt campaigners who are just protesting about the supposed upper classes.
Ironically, animal testing is more a sign of our regression and disregard for life than progression.
Wow Naraguna, you seem to make a lot of assumptions. Nearly every person I know is opposed to fox-hunting, and some are upper-class. I suppose they must hate themselves, eh?
I would agree with you though that the majority are probably not.
27 May 06
Originally posted by Positional PlayerI'm not suprised considering where you live.
Ironically, animal testing is more a sign of our regression and disregard for life than progression.
Wow Naraguna, you seem to make a lot of assumptions. Nearly every person I know is opposed to fox-hunting, and some are upper-class. I suppose they must hate themselves, eh?
27 May 06
Originally posted by NargagunaI support hunting, but find your logic here is absurd. We don't have fox hunts in my neck of the woods, but there are folks who oppose deer hunting. A lot of rednecks think the protesters hate them, but in truth the protesters simply have serious moral issues with harming "innocent" deer. The pro-hunting brigade needs to focus on the merits of the arguments, and show how the vegan sense of morality is perverse, rather than conjuring up an absurd persecution complex.
Like many of the anti-hunt brigade who are activated more by hatred of the 'uppper class' (as they fantasise) than by love of foxes.
For you vegans out there: Why do you privilege mind over body? Why not consider than all species that reproduce sexually are capable of experiencing pleasure, and thus pain? These should be protected.
27 May 06
Originally posted by WulebgrHunting is one argument.
I support hunting, but find your logic here is absurd. We don't have fox hunts in my neck of the woods, but there are folks who oppose deer hunting. A lot of rednecks think the protesters hate them, but in truth the protesters simply have serious moral issues with harming "innocent" deer. The pro-hunting brigade needs to focus on the merits of the arguments, ...[text shortened]... duce sexually are capable of experiencing pleasure, and thus pain? These should be protected.
The specific objection to fox hunting was more based on the fact that the fox was chased by a pack of braying dogs and people on horses for miles across the country side, bugles blaring, before eventually being torn to bits by the dogs.
It seems a particularly barbaric way to "keep the fox population down" where a single guy with a gun might have done the trick.
28 May 06
Originally posted by Wheelycan you imagine the level of stress on the poor foxes ??? chased by tons of dogs, horses, and humans ?
Hunting is one argument.
The specific objection to fox hunting was more based on the fact that the fox was chased by a pack of braying dogs and people on horses for miles across the country side, bugles blaring, before eventually being torn to bits by the dogs.
It seems a particularly barbaric way to "keep the fox population down" where a single guy with a gun might have done the trick.
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28 May 06
Originally posted by WulebgrI'd take the bait here (so to speak), but I don't understand what you're asking. What do you mean when you assert that vegans privelege mind over body? Are you claiming that things without minds that reproduce sexually are capable of experiencing pleasure and pain(which are mental states in good standing)?
For you vegans out there: Why do you privilege mind over body? Why not consider than all species that reproduce sexually are capable of experiencing pleasure, and thus pain? These should be protected.
28 May 06
Originally posted by bbarrFlowers get and sustain the most impressive erections. I'm not confident enough in my knowledge of all things to utterly dismiss all possibility that the flower feels something during copulation.
I'd take the bait here (so to speak), but I don't understand what you're asking. What do you mean when you assert that vegans privelege mind over body? Are you claiming that things without minds that reproduce sexually are capable of experiencing pleasure and pain(which are mental states in good standing)?
On the other side of things, I accept that my need for sustenance requires that I kill living things. My hands are bloody.