Anti-social behaviour : Answers?

Originally posted by RSMA1234
Send them for a stint in the army, a bit of "the old national service" would help

Yes, a good bit of bully or be bullied will sort them out. Or get them killed.
Not that I'm against the idea, just the culture that currently pervades.

Originally posted by Amaurote
Back in 1997, I was one of several million people who voted for "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime." I'm still waiting for the second of these promises to be delivered.

The way I've heard it the biggest problem with policing is the bureaucracy and paper work that has to filed for some of even the most trivial matters such that policemen , especially the old English Bobby who would get to know the people of his town and be empowered to deal with people as the case warranted and at his own discretion without having to go through all the channels that today tend to absorb all their time such that the thought of all the paperwork actually discourages most of today's police from actually doing their duty.

The other thing is that society has changed and the pressures of staying economically in touch has changed such that more parents complain that even if they wanted to spend quality time with their kids, they are just too tired or too busy catching up with work around the home because of what they put off for later while engaged in their primary job.

Personally i think a lot of parents feel that they were not indulged by their parents all that much either, so this obsession with quality time and raising to the highest standards might just be a lot of baloney and who's to say it will make a bag of beans difference to the way their child turns out anyway? What I think has happened though is that kids access to information has changed. Society has been sexualised to an extent that it never has been before, and in the absence of any large adoption by the mainstream of religious belief, the fallout is that apart from consumerism and nihilism, what on a societal level do our young have as an anchor to keep them focused enough long enough too want to work for anything meaningfull and worthwhile.

I think why a lot of people despise and hate the muslims is for one very striking reason. They firmly believe in something and they express the confidence of those who believe in a destiny have.

In a lot of ways by comparison the west having developed democracy and having fought for the rights to express individual freedom, now has the unenviable legacy of a myriad array of hundreds of millions of independent voices who are only interested in one thing. Getting the most for the least effort.

Secular humanism and moral relatavism has spawned a situationally ethical generation in which the notion of an absolute truth no longer forms a dominant part of the mindset. The result in my view has been a loss of focus, a loss of direction and a loss of confidence, such that the very institutions that delivered our lifestyle, are now viewed with suspician and distrust and notions such as respect and deference to authority have gone the way of the dodo.

Originally posted by Philodor
No wonder, you poor fool. Until we nip crime 'in the bud' at the earliest sign of its manifestation we shall never control it.

I do not kid myself that it can ever be entirely eradicated, but there is no hope of preventing its escalation unless we stamp on it at birth, so to speak. Whatever the 'causes'.

Edit. Unfortunately you were not alone in fall ...[text shortened]... at the time. A more dishonest little creep has never before presented himself for election.

So outline how you achieve stamping on crime at birth.

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
So outline how you achieve stamping on crime at birth.

Genetic testing. Its a long held self evident truth that there is a causal link between genetics and criminality. Ask any Eugenicist. Failing identifying the appropriate genes and sceening for them we could go back to phrenology.

Originally posted by Philodor
No wonder, you poor fool. Until we nip crime 'in the bud' at the earliest sign of its manifestation we shall never control it.

I do not kid myself that it can ever be entirely eradicated, but there is no hope of preventing its escalation unless we stamp on it at birth, so to speak. Whatever the 'causes'.

Edit. Unfortunately you were not alone in fall at the time. A more dishonest little creep has never before presented himself for election.

My goodness, I never had you down as a redistributionist. You learn something new every day.

The irony about crime in this country is that it has been falling since 1995. It doesn't suit Labour to believe this because Michael Howard was Home Secretary with a nominal "Prison Works" policy (the supposedly seismic differences between Howard, Jack Straw, David Blunkett, Charles Clarke and John Reid are entirely cosmetic) during this period, and it doesn't suit the Tories to believe it because it concedes that the downward curve has continued through a decade of Blairite power (it doesn't suit the Liberal Democrats because it's a neat reversal of their "A plague on both your houses" leitmotif). The reason for this is pretty obvious: the unstable years of boom and bust of Thatcherism and post-Thatcherism (not that it's fair to blame John Major for his predecessor's fiscal incompetence and irresponsible sectional interest in targeting the well-being of the 40% of the electorate she needed to feather her nest in Downing Street) were replaced by sustained growth that Labour amplified from 1997 onwards. The causes of crime diminished in number, and crime broadly fell - it's no accident that the biggest falls have occurred in property crime under Labour, which is one reason swing voters who previously voted Tory have deserted that party in droves.

The real problem now is drug abuse, organized crime and violent offending, and as these are still mostly related to poverty, we need to see a much greater effort placed into redistribution, eliminating unmerited inequality, coordinating schemes like Surestart and planning regional investment...fusing Probation and the Prison Service into NOMS is an indication on paper that the Government is thinking along the right lines, but the truth is that this opportunity has been wasted because NOMS is essentially a front for prison privatization, which even if you believe in it is a tactical mistake because the morale of frontline staff has fallen. Until the Administration of this country decides to institutionalize equal educational opportunities, work for collective civic initiatives and wipe out the poverty of sink estates, there will be no breakthrough and these years of prosperity will have been wasted. One thing's for sure, voting for David Cameron and a few opportunistic tree-hugging toffs whose idea of saving the environment is chasing the oiks off their manse garden isn't going to solve the problem.

Originally posted by kmax87
Genetic testing. Its a long held self evident truth that there is a causal link between genetics and criminality. Ask any Eugenicist. Failing identifying the appropriate genes and sceening for them we could go back to phrenology.

There was this dude into that about 70 years ago........

Originally posted by shavixmir
Yeah. Getting people to follow orders, dress the same and train them to kill people will really sort out the world's problems...

Basically they need to learn discipline and respect. I’m not suggesting that this will solve the “worlds problems”, but it would go someway to help “anti-social” youth behaviour in the UK

Originally posted by 7ate9
WHAT THE HELL IS ANTI-SOCIAL?????????*^$&^%((&^%$(&^%$

Definitions of Anti-Social Behaviour

Anti-social behaviour covers a wide range of activities, from boundary disputes and verbal harassment through to vandalism and intimidation. It is any kind of repeated behaviour which is likely to cause you alarm or distress and is often carried out by individuals who live in close proximity to you. Broadly, it is a quality of life issue.
www.thamesvalley.police.uk/news_info/planning/police-plan-04/g.htm

acting in a manner which causes harassment, alarm or distress to other people
www.headsup.org.uk/content/default.asp

Anti-social behaviour is that lacking in judgement and consideration for others, ranging from careless negligence to deliberately damaging activity, vandalism and graffiti for example. Someone behaving in an anti-social manner may be a manifestation of an antisocial personality disorder.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-social_behaviour