07 Oct 08
Originally posted by whodeyMore likely, if you are old and conservative, you have sold your principles.
Does anyone have the stats on age in terms of who is conservative verses liberal?
I once heard someone tell me that if you are young and are not a liberal you have no heart, but if you are not a conservative when you are older you have no brain. LOL.
07 Oct 08
Originally posted by EladarOk, genius:
If you can't see the truth of the poll, then I'm afraid there's no arguing. Either you are willing/able to see the truth or you aren't.
VOTE BY EDUCATION TOTAL Democrat Republican 100000 Dems Rep Difference
No High School (3% )----------- 64% -------35% 3000 1920 1050 0.29
H.S. Graduate (21% ) -----------55%------- 44% 21000 11550 9240 0.11
Some College (31% )----------- 51%------- 47% 31000 15810 14570 0.04
College Graduate (27% ) -------49%------- 49% 27000 13230 13230 0
Postgraduate (18% )------------ 58%------- 41% 18000 10440 7380 0.17
So the number difference decreases until Postgraduate where it increase to the largest margin. Therefore, the more education, Postgraduate work being more education than College Graduate, the more likely to be a Democratic voter.
You can see whatever you want, but the numbers don't lie.
07 Oct 08
Originally posted by EladarYou said that these numbers, the ones above, prove that the more education one has, the more likely he is to be a Republican voter. So, using the numbers above, all of them, not eliminating the ones that you don't like, please prove your premise.
You are correct, numbers don't lie. But you can certainly twist the numbers by choosing to look at specific intervals.
07 Oct 08
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The poll does not prove anything, but it concrete evidence. Look at the journey from zero education to the highest level. Stop off at any point along the way and you'll find the % of Republicans grows compared to the original group. It does not randomly fluctuate. When it does work its way back down, the resulting numbers are still in the Republican's favor when compared to no education.
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I think I understand your point of view. If it isn't post graduate work, then it isn't real education. Nice.
07 Oct 08
Originally posted by EladarActually, that is not what I said. I said that the number does increase until you get to Postgraduate work. You said "Face it Cliff, the general trend is that increased educational level means more likely to vote Republican."
The poll does not prove anything, but it concrete evidence. Look at the journey from zero education to the highest level. Stop off at any point along the way and you'll find the % of Republicans grows compared to the original group. It does not randomly fluctuate. When it does work its way back down, the resulting numbers are still in the Republican's fav ...[text shortened]... nd your point of view. If it isn't post graduate work, then it isn't real education. Nice.
And I say that the trend drops dramatically with Postgraduate education. Meaning the more education that you have the more likely you are to be a Democratic voter.
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There is only one interval where that is true. Therefore the correct statement is education beyond a college degree makes one more likely to be a Democrat.
So if you'd like, I suppose I could say the more education a person receives through getting a college degree makes it more likely the person will be a Republican.
Of course there is one other way of looking at it: Education made it more likely that the person was a Republican for 79% of the people, while education made it more like to be a Democrat for 18% of the people.
07 Oct 08
Originally posted by CliffLandinWhich means you're wrong. looking at the spread from no education and comparing it to the post graduate spread, it tightens. What you're doing is data mining. You're picking out one stat and drawing conclusions from it.
Actually, that is not what I said. I said that the number does increase until you get to Postgraduate work. You said "Face it Cliff, the general trend is that increased educational level means more likely to vote Republican."
And I say that the trend drops dramatically with Postgraduate education. Meaning the more education that you have the more likely you are to be a Democratic voter.
You could be right and you could be wrong, but if you're right, it's not because you looked at the data correctly.
07 Oct 08
Originally posted by MerkActually, the numbers show that an education through College makes one as likely to be a Republican as a Democrat. Because the numbers are so low for Republican before college they trend upwards until they match the Democrats. The number also show that if one continues their education one is more likely to be a Democrat.
Which means you're wrong. looking at the spread from no education and comparing it to the post graduate spread, it tightens. What you're doing is data mining. You're picking out one stat and drawing conclusions from it.
You could be right and you could be wrong, but if you're right, it's not because you looked at the data correctly.
I am not picking one stat - I have said the it trends upwards for Republicans until Postgraduate. I am looking at all the data that we have.
07 Oct 08
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Originally posted by CliffLandinSure it does. What I am saying is that there are things in this world we all don't like such as war, poverty, death, etc, however, as we attempt to combat them we must be aware that we cannot "fix" them 100% of the time. In fact, there are things we can do to combat them that might actually make the world a worse place to live. So in my example of having everyone be forced to make the same wage to end poverty, we see an inherently flawed approach to "fixing" poverty...or at least I hope you do. It does not mean that I have no principles, rather, it merely means that I insist on taking a practical approach to problems that I attempt to tackle. In other words, just because I may favor being practical over being idealistic, it does not mean I have forsaken my principles.
This makes no sense in regards to my previous post.
07 Oct 08
Originally posted by whodeySo, you are saying that if my principles say that I should eliminate crime and I see a woman being mugged, but chose not to help her because I may be harmed myself, that I haven't forsaken my principles, but rather I have been practical?
Sure it does. What I am saying is that there are things in this world we all don't like such as war, poverty, death, etc, however, as we attempt to combat them we must be aware that we cannot "fix" them 100% of the time. In fact, there are things we can do to combat them that might actually make the world a worse place to live. So in my example of having e ...[text shortened]... avor being practical over being idealistic, it does not mean I have forsaken my principles.
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Originally posted by CliffLandinNo, what I am saying is that if you see the woman being mugged at gun point and you come up behind him and goose him to divert his attention away from her I think you should get shot. Not only will she get raped anyway, in addition, you will be shot dead.
So, you are saying that if my principles say that I should eliminate crime and I see a woman being mugged, but chose not to help her because I may be harmed myself, that I haven't forsaken my principles, but rather I have been practical?
Your principles may be fine but your execution of them is piss poor.