05 Nov 04
I don't know if you guys saw the movie, but any normal person would get up and do something if they knew that terrorists are bombing your country. But no, what does George Bush do? he sits like a stupid cow in a nursery school for half an hour until he actually realises that he has to get up from his fat a*s and do something like warn the country of the attack.
In my opinion Bush is pathetic.
06 Nov 04
Originally posted by Stefan555Did you just crawl out from underneath a rock?...that news is three years old, and he has done something since 9-11. He liberated Afghanistan and allowed them to have free elections....he's trying to do the same in Iraq, albeit it possibly the wrong way. What would your reaction be if someone had just told you that your entire family was wiped out in a cataclysmic episode?...let me guess, you'd go right on munching your peanuts, watching your episode of "friends"...you people act like Bush should have shed his suit on site at the very moment of truth to reveal his "B" on his chest and his blue cape flowing in the wind.... how ridiculous! 🙄 😴
I don't know if you guys saw the movie, but any normal person would get up and do something if they knew that terrorists are bombing your country. But no, what does George Bush do? he sits like a stupid cow in a nursery school for half an hour until he actually realises that he has to get up from his fat a*s and do something like warn the country of the attack.
In my opinion Bush is pathetic.
06 Nov 04
Originally posted by howardgeeNo, Howard, that actually is what he should have done...instead of plying golf...damn, if I ain't agreeing with you on something!...next thing, snakes are going to fly! Actually, John O'Neil, head of New York's FBI division and expert on Al-Qaeda, tried to warn the Clinton and Bush administration about Al-Qaeda's intentions but was ignored...sadly, he perished in the WTC tragedy.....
Maybe he should have read the CIA report warning that Bin Laden was planning to fly planes into the towers given to him months before the incident happened, instead of fishing and playing golf.
Oh no, that's a pathetic idea isn't it?
22 Dec 04
The movie was a clear piece of propaganda--sort like watching the O'Reilly Factor, but from the other side. Two hours of each, and you've filled your mind with weak allegations (many true).
Spend the same four hours reading the latest issues of The National Review and The Nation and you've exposed yourself to the vigorous debate that continues in America, despite the efforts of the mainstream media to pretend otherwise.
22 Dec 04
Originally posted by wolfbynyteIf the terrorist attacks justify the attack on our civil liberties under the Bush administration, then the terrorists have already won the war. They've destroyed the way of life we are seeking to impose on their former havens.
I think events leading to 911 are left to judge (obviously)
Events after are justified.
22 Dec 04
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Originally posted by wolfbynyteFlying planes into the Trade Center wreacked all kinds of violence, but did not impact our civil liberties in the slightest. Bush's cowboy reaction, and the revival of a national security state that Tail-gunner Joe could only wish for, on the other hand, has been the most thorough assault on the Bill of Rights since 1791.
To sit and do nothing would leave us in fear. . . then they win every day. They drove a plane into our lives. WE need to protect the civil liberties you speak of.
We had an opportunity to protect our civil liberties in early November, and the people didn't want that. Now, we enjoy four more years of bliss!
Words like "democracy," and "freedom" have enough appeal to most Americans that there will be precious little of either remaining when the bubble bursts.
22 Dec 04
I don't know, I think I would have reacted close to the same.
Sure it could have been handled differently, but what would other contries do if it happened to them on a huge scale like this. We lost thousands of people trying to enjoy the freedom to work in those towers. Hind-sight is 20/20. Bush reacted quick, piseed off many, but stood up to the "slap in the face".
23 Dec 04
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Originally posted by WulebgrCome on, man, lay off O'Reilly...you know what your problem with O'Reilly is? "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!
The movie was a clear piece of propaganda--sort like watching the O'Reilly Factor, but from the other side. Two hours of each, and you've filled your mind with weak allegations (many true).
Spend the same four hours reading the latest ...[text shortened]... despite the efforts of the mainstream media to pretend otherwise.
O'Reilly is fair and balanced..he has liberals and conservatives come on to debate...watch it some time; you may learn something....😉 "Mainstream media"? you just became able to handle the truth because O'Reilly ain't mainstream media....
Merry CHRISTmas....😉
23 Dec 04
Originally posted by chancremechanicWell, there is truth and then there is truth. Nothing in F9/11 was a lie, it was all true. It is all a question of how you spin it.
Come on, man, lay off O'Reilly...you know what your problem with O'Reilly is? "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!
O'Reilly is fair and balanced..he has liberals and conservatives come on to debate...watch it some time; you may learn something....😉 "Mainstream media"? you just became able to handle the truth because O'Reilly ain't mainstream media....
Merry CHRISTmas....😉
23 Dec 04
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Originally posted by chancremechanicI have watched O'Reilly. I learned that he is only slightly better informed than Rush Limbaugh, and that he employs the same sorts of inflammatory rhetoric.
..watch it some time; you may learn something....😉 "Mainstream media"?
Merry CHRISTmas....😉
If the "truth" is the conservative's take on things, it is much better represented in The National Review than on Fox. The problem with The National Review for most Fox viewers is that they take the time to comprehend the nuances of the issues that don't fit into the thrash and bash TV format. That's why I prefer oppositional news magazines: The Nation on the left, and The National Review on the right over the extended sound bites of Bill O'Reilly and Michael Moore.
Lately, I've been reading Foreign Affairs and a stack of book on US foreign policy. Not many--of any political perspective--who work in the intelligence community have professed much hope that the invasion of Iraq has, or will, make us safer from terrorism.