AOC and The Squad are Faux Progressives

@zahlanzi said
"I think I have adequately shown to blindly assume in this new proposed system that the taxation required will be anywhere close to less than the premiums paid under the current system is more than questionable...its ludicrous."

It's hilarious that you think an idiotic rant filled with conservative talking points not backed by any actual data is "adequately showing" anything but your ignorance.

Thank you for your stunning infallible economic counter analysis. Care to have a exploration of what points we disagree on about how the current system basically operates, or how the proposed system would...as opposed to just running your mouth void of content?

This offer goes to the other un-substantive lip smacker mghrn55 as well?

@joe-shmo said
Thank you for your stunning infallible economic counter analysis. Care to have a exploration of what points we disagree on about how the current system basically operates, or how the proposed system would instead of just running your mouth?

This offer goes to the other un-substantive lip smacker mghrn55 as well?

Ahhhh, and then there is the sub-standard, watered-down, diluted healthcare to consider. All of the discussions never ever concern themselves with that. Typical libs. They just want free.
I am proud to not be a part of a society that sits around discussing ways to encroach upon products or services or assets of others. Libs, close your eyes and imagine Reagan or Bush or Trump having meetings about ‘spreading the wealth around’. Then picture Obama saying it.
Do you get the pictures? ? See the diff??

@averagejoe1 said
Ahhhh, and then there is the sub-standard, watered-down, diluted healthcare to consider. All of the discussions never ever concern themselves with that. Typical libs. They just want free.
I am proud to not be a part of a society that sits around discussing ways to encroach upon products or services or assets of others. Libs, close your eyes and imagine Reagan or ...[text shortened]... g the wealth around’. Then picture Obama saying it.
Do you get the pictures? ? See the diff??

There appears to me to be an increases over every conceivable economic measure to have a universal governmental run healthcare system. Compound that with a government based operating system which is without a doubt less economically efficient than the free market/private sector....and we don't even have to talk about the inevitable diluted quality care that is going to arise. Its going to equally suck for everyone at an added expense to the contributing American public ( except of course for our political overlords with their special personal carveouts - they'll maintain their own premium private healthcare at no extra cost ).

@zahlanzi said
"AOC calls criticism of her failing to what she campaigned on "violence" . Yet another sell out in action ."
Huh?

"She doesn't call criticisms she gets from the Right Wing violence .
She doesn't call public expressions of profanity at Trump violence .:"
I have no idea what you're trying to say here.
Do you have maybe a tweet of hers that you object on, or?

"The ...[text shortened]... on from republicans.


I am having trouble understanding how you figured they are doing nothing.

Her tweet is out there . Go look for it yourself . Or check Youtube .
Apparently you cannot figure out a lot of things , lol.

@joe-shmo said
There appears to me to be an increases over every conceivable economic measure to have a universal governmental run healthcare system. Compound that with a government based operating system which is without a doubt less economically efficient than the free market/private sector....and we don't even have to talk about the inevitable diluted quality care that is going to aris ...[text shortened]... ecial personal carveouts - they'll maintain their own premium private healthcare at no extra cost ).

Have you read the article on Medicare for All in the Lancet ?
Most likely not .

@joe-shmo said
There appears to me to be an increases over every conceivable economic measure to have a universal governmental run healthcare system. Compound that with a government based operating system which is without a doubt less economically efficient than the free market/private sector....and we don't even have to talk about the inevitable diluted quality care that is going to aris ...[text shortened]... ecial personal carveouts - they'll maintain their own premium private healthcare at no extra cost ).

Joe, are you actually telling us that our political leaders, who will create this new Reich, will not use the same health care that. we do? Say it ain’t so, Joe.
But didn’t Kampala say that all will be equal....that “at the end of the day, we will all end up in the same place.” ? She will certainly not, and I, planning to be a socialist myself (not actually live under socialism) , plan also to not end up in the same place. I’ll be using Kamala’s doctors,
So how do you think this will shake out?

@caissad4 said
Her tweet is out there . Go look for it yourself . Or check Youtube .
Apparently you cannot figure out a lot of things , lol.

ok i am gonna google "AOC tweet that might have upset caissad4" in the past 2 weeks ?

Common man i was trying to engage politely. Can you get past your new year hangover crankyness and do the same?

@joe-shmo said
Thank you for your stunning infallible economic counter analysis. Care to have a exploration of what points we disagree on about how the current system basically operates, or how the proposed system would...as opposed to just running your mouth void of content?

This offer goes to the other un-substantive lip smacker mghrn55 as well?

sure, why not. Not like we have done this already and you didn't provide any proof then either.

Want an honest discussion? Pick a point to start with. Frame the discussion however you want

@joe-shmo said
Ok, I suggest we stay off of side arguments for the time being and instead lets continue drill down to the core understanding of the system and see where any gaps in understanding may be for us.

So you take the insurance premium ( which pays the, patients ) an you shift it to taxes ( manifesting itself as an increase to any entity that pays taxes )?

In the employer/em ...[text shortened]... do you see that taxation being redistributed. Which entity will bear the lions are of the taxation?

Well the way taxes work in my part of the world it would be your average tax payer and under that would do most of the heavy lifting as they do with roads and sewer systems.
But remember it’s also your average tax payer and under that will receive the vast majority of the benefits. Most high income and mega rich will a join or remain in BUPA type scheme and companies will also likely keep that option for their higher execs, you know how they like to scratch each other’s backs.

@joe-shmo said
Another thing to consider is the insurance company pays the patients, but only on paper. The money passes right by them and pays the hospital which pays its staff. So the excess taxation is still born by the economic contributors to the system...ie the employed people, but they will be picking up the bill for the non-economic contributors to the system as well. That new p ...[text shortened]... e to less than the premiums paid under the current system is more than questionable...its ludicrous.

That’s right the insurance companies are paid in the good will and love of their customers.

@joe-shmo said
When people say "it will be cheaper...free at the point of service so, go back and redo the math" then they don't bother to engage in "doing the math" even qualitatively to get a better understanding of the system they wish to fundamentally alter... its bothersome.

Yeah because you have nothing to engage that argument with because for you it’s an ultra right wing point of political principle and nothing to do with hard nosed economics.
You’ve already lost the argument.

@kevcvs57 said
Yeah because you have nothing to engage that argument with because for you it’s an ultra right wing point of political principle and nothing to do with hard nosed economics.
You’ve already lost the argument.

Political Principles? Politics, you say?
No Kev, it’s about money. Take free college. If students stop paying tuition, then who will pay the 3Billion$ to cover the expense of The university of North Carolina? That includes landscaping the premises and other incidental items. So every time they mow the lawn, the government will pay for that now, not the students. You liberals are in dreamworld. Are you gonna do free medical care BEFORE you start the free college? Or AFTER? Air brains for libs.

@averagejoe1 said
Political Principles? Politics, you say?
No Kev, it’s about money. Take free college. If students stop paying tuition, then who will pay the 3Billion$ to cover the expense of The university of North Carolina? That includes landscaping the premises and other incidental items. So every time they mow the lawn, the government will pay for that now, not the students. ...[text shortened]... Are you gonna do free medical care BEFORE you start the free college? Or AFTER? Air brains for libs.

But we are not talking about college we are talking about something as basic as healthcare and whether you believe everyone should have access to it.
You don’t believe they should and you’d prefer that the insurance companies to keep milking the lifeblood out of the system ( maybe something to do with that portfolio of yours Joe).
That’s your stance and your welcome to it but don’t pretend to be coming from the viewpoint of hard nosed economics because it disagrees with your stance rather than supports it.

@kevcvs57 said
But we are not talking about college we are talking about something as basic as healthcare and whether you believe everyone should have access to it.
You don’t believe they should and you’d prefer that the insurance companies to keep milking the lifeblood out of the system ( maybe something to do with that portfolio of yours Joe).
That’s your stance and your welcome to it ...[text shortened]... the viewpoint of hard nosed economics because it disagrees with your stance rather than supports it.

Your full of crap meter is calibrated by the function:

f(z) = 1- 1/(z^z)

where z = the number of times you've used the term "hard nosed economics" without any rationalization.

What is your justification that universal healthcare will be cheaper to the average economic contributor than the current system?