I did not want to put this in the spirituality forum because I wish to talk politics here.
Are Christians tolerant politically? Considering that the majority of Americans identify themselves as "Christian", it seems odd that they keep electing politicians who support abortion, gay marriage, and taking prayer out of schools etc.
I am guessing just the opposite. Considering that Christians seem to keep electing the same people who oppose Christian values in government and just can't seem to get enough of them, I'd say Christians in the US are the most tolerant group of spineless lost souls on the face of the earth.
Originally posted by whodeySo to have a spine they must wish for the Government to force their religious views on others?
I did not want to put this in the spirituality forum because I wish to talk politics here.
Are Christians tolerant politically? Considering that the majority of Americans identify themselves as "Christian", it seems odd that they keep electing politicians who support abortion, gay marriage, and taking prayer out of schools etc.
I am guessing just the ...[text shortened]... ians in the US are the most tolerant group of spineless lost souls on the face of the earth.
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperTake the issue of abortion. If you believe it is murder, then it has nothing to do with religion, does it?
So to have a spine they must wish for the Government to force their religious views on others?
For the Christian, or any other voter to vote DNC, I would hope that they hold the view that it is not murder. Otherwise it would be akin to voting for Nazis sending innocent people to their deaths.
Seeing that most churches teach that abortion is murder, I would have to conclude that these self identifying Christians could care less about the church teachings.
If so, then I would presume that they are indeed the most tolerant religious group on earth. For you see, they march to the beat of their own drum, just like those not of faith.
Originally posted by whodeyThe problem is the vast majority people who claim abortion is murder don't actually believe it's murder.
Take the issue of abortion. If you believe it is murder, then it has nothing to do with religion, does it?
For the Christian, or any other voter to vote DNC, I would hope that they hold the view that it is not murder. Otherwise it would be akin to voting for Nazis sending innocent people to their deaths.
Seeing that most churches teach that abortion i ...[text shortened]... on earth. For you see, they march to the beat of their own drum, just like those not of faith.
Most of the anti-choice crowd don't oppose exceptions for rape (but it's murder!). There are some who do oppose abortion in literally all cases, but funny you don't see any of them railing against the evils of in-vitro fertilization.
Also, the bible doesn't say anything about abortion. I suppose way back when the mortal humans wrote the verses without divine intervention abortion wasn't an issue because they didn't have modern medicine.
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperI would say you are right. Even though most Christians would say it's murder, they don't really believe it.
The problem is the vast majority people who claim abortion is murder don't actually believe it's murder.
Most of the anti-choice crowd don't oppose exceptions for rape (but it's murder!). There are some who do oppose abortion in literally all cases, but funny you don't see any of them railing against the evils of in-vitro fertilization. ...[text shortened]... t divine intervention abortion wasn't an issue because they didn't have modern medicine.
It would be the equivalent of Christians back in the Deep South in the 1800's. They did not really think slaves were people either.
So when do you think you became human......if at all? 😛
Originally posted by whodey"Considering that the majority of Americans identify themselves as "Christian""
I did not want to put this in the spirituality forum because I wish to talk politics here.
Are Christians tolerant politically? Considering that the majority of Americans identify themselves as "Christian", it seems odd that they keep electing politicians who support abortion, gay marriage, and taking prayer out of schools etc.
I am guessing just the ...[text shortened]... ians in the US are the most tolerant group of spineless lost souls on the face of the earth.
They identify, but most are secular, non practicing "Christians". Often they prefer that government give them cover for them to avoid actually living in accord with their religion's strictures.
"I'd say Christians in the US are the most tolerant group of spineless lost souls on the face of the earth."
That describes a great many who happen to be soullessly unprincipled.
Originally posted by normbenign"Often they prefer that government give them cover for them to avoid actually living in accord with their religion's strictures."
"Considering that the majority of Americans identify themselves as "Christian""
They identify, but most are secular, non practicing "Christians". Often they prefer that government give them cover for them to avoid actually living in accord with their religion's strictures.
"I'd say Christians in the US are the most tolerant group of spineless lost ...[text shortened]... f the earth."
That describes a great many who happen to be soullessly unprincipled.
That makes sense, actually. For example, the bible says you should kill gay people and that women should not be speak in church, be teachers nor lead men. The government prevents those things.
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperA more mainstream example is that the Bible prohibits "fornication" and "adultery", sex outside of marriage.
[b]"Often they prefer that government give them cover for them to avoid actually living in accord with their religion's strictures."
That makes sense, actually. For example, the bible says you should kill gay people and that women should not be speak in church, be teachers nor lead men. The government prevents those things.[/b]
Since their church holds the Biblical position, but many find satisfaction in ignoring the proscriptions, they favor the "tolerant" route. In church when the preacher thunders about the evils of fornication, he is answered with Amens, but a lot of those churchgoers already know who they will bed later that day, including the preacher.
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperNo church preaches this. With all undue respect, your attempt at theology is hilarious.
[b]"Often they prefer that government give them cover for them to avoid actually living in accord with their religion's strictures."
That makes sense, actually. For example, the bible says you should kill gay people and that women should not be speak in church, be teachers nor lead men. The government prevents those things.[/b]
Originally posted by normbenignYes, "including the preacher" and whodey.
A more mainstream example is that the Bible prohibits "fornication" and "adultery", sex outside of marriage.
Since their church holds the Biblical position, but many find satisfaction in ignoring the proscriptions, they favor the "tolerant" route. In church when the preacher thunders about the evils of fornication, he is answered with Amens, but a lot ...[text shortened]... f those churchgoers already know who they will bed later that day, including the preacher.
Originally posted by whodeyA vast majority of Americans identify themselves as Christian but not as fundamentalist Christian. Don't confuse the two. The fundamentalists of any religion tend to be more extreme, selective, and blindly literal (and with extreme interpretations without much thought) on their religious teachings, including arguably mischaracterizing their religious text and tradition.
I did not want to put this in the spirituality forum because I wish to talk politics here.
Are Christians tolerant politically? Considering that the majority of Americans identify themselves as "Christian", it seems odd that they keep electing politicians who support abortion, gay marriage, and taking prayer out of schools etc.
I am guessing just the ians in the US are the most tolerant group of spineless lost souls on the face of the earth.
Apparently you are fundamentalist and believe that anything less is inconsistent with your interpretation of the Bible, and the non-fundamentalists are both wrong in construing the biblical text and wrong morally.
Whodey the almighty.
CHOICE
Thus, taking Christianity as an example, the fundamentalist says abortion is murder (except if their daughter needs an abortion), whereas other Christians do not agree that abortion before viability is murder or that the Bible teaches that abortion is murder. Many Christians do not believe life begins at conception, or that the Bible teaches such, or if they do, they do not believe the government should force that belief on all. Many Christians want to preserve freedom of religion, and maintain the wall of separation between church and state. They may follow their own beliefs and not obtain an abortion, but they do not want a government church or theocracy forcing religion on them or others.
GAY
Fundamentalists point to an obscure text in the Old Testament out of context, while ignoring vast other text in the Old Testament about all kind archaic slavery, rape, killings, etc, and make such a big deal about homosexuality, for instance. Many other Christians do not agree, and do not believe the Bible is so clear or strenuous about the gay subject, and that fundamentalist are imposing their own biases beyond the religious text. Further, many of the Christians who believe that homosexuality is a sin (and thus themselves may try not to be a homosexual), they do not believe it should be a secular legal prohibition against homosexuality, or that it should be used against people to prohibit them from marrying. This latter issue (view) of gay marriage is especially true among younger Christians, and not believed strikingly inconsistent with the Bible, as the fundamentalists suggest.
GOVERNMENT PRAYER
Some of the most strenuous supporters of keeping organized prayer out of public schools are Christians. Of course, they want and like that any kid in class can bow their head and pray to themselves pretty much at any time. They do not want government involved in their religion, or their children subjected to religious views in the school they disagree. They would rather keep organized prayer and religious discussion out of the public schools but in the vast non-government sphere such as in Sunday School, in church, or at the home, on street corner, and so forth.
CONCLUSION
In view of the foregoing, your original post while asking legitimate questions, is really nonsensical. There is no contradiction with a vast majority of Americans labeling themselves Christian (and with most believing the Bible) versus the election of leaders who support choice, the right of same sex people to marry, and not having organized prayer in school but allowing any student to pray on their own in public schools. These Christians value our Constitution and man's laws and our liberty, while also consistently believing in and respecting the Bible.
Originally posted by whodey
I did not want to put this in the spirituality forum because I wish to talk politics here.
Are Christians tolerant politically? Considering that the majority of Americans identify themselves as "Christian", it seems odd that they keep electing politicians who support abortion, gay marriage, and taking prayer out of schools etc.
I am guessing just the ...[text shortened]... ians in the US are the most tolerant group of spineless lost souls on the face of the earth.
"Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work." --Titus 3:1
He said to them, “Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.” --Luke 20:25
"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation." --Romans 13:1-2
Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. -- 1 Peter 13-14
Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor. -- 1 Peter 17
Originally posted by moon1969So let me get this straight, you are using a religious text that you have no respect for and for which you have no theological understanding to use against someone like me who does?"Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work." --Titus 3:1He said to them, “Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.” --Luke 20:25"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but o ...[text shortened]... everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor. -- 1 Peter 17
Typical left winged dead head.
Originally posted by whodeyI have much more understanding of biblical text, including its meaning and context, than you ever will. You are a brainwashed biased idiot.
So let me get this straight, you are using a religious text that you have no respect for and for which you have no theological understanding to use against someone like me who does?
Typical left winged dead head.
You can't think for yourself, but only believe what you have been told in the brainwashing you received.
The Bible teaches to respect and follow man's laws. You ignore that scripture. Hypocrite. Idiot.
I hope you pray and ask for forgiveness for your sins of disrespecting man's laws, our government, and our leaders.