Argumentum Ad Hominem ...... ?

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Ivanhoe, you must be the only one who doesn't view this crusade of yours as a circus act.

I don't think it's a crusade. But I don't think it's a circus act either.

Originally posted by ivanhoe
In some other thread I asked for links about online formal logic courses. If my memory serves me well you didn't have any information at all for me. Do you have any links ?

http://faculty.washington.edu/smcohen/120/LectureNotes.htm

Originally posted by bbarr
Yes, it does. The Ad Hominem Fallacy is an argument of the general form:

(1) My opponent claims that P.
(2) My opponent, however, is a jackass.
(3) Hence, it is not the case that P.

Ivanhoe, and other well-meaning folk on the internet (from whence he cuts and pastes these descriptions of fallacies), are simply incorrect on this point. They use the te ...[text shortened]... ybody here thinks that actual Ad Hominem Fallacies are dumb. We differ over the use of insults.

The most interesting post in the whole thread IMO .. I actually learned something.

I think it settled the question of what is and isn't an Ad Hominem Fallacy and what is a simple insult (ad hominem attack).

Personal insults have there place in an informal debate.
They may result in a desired effect .. something to do with "heat" and going in "the kitchen."

I prefer ridicule over simple name-calling myself, you can be more creative. Simple, crude name-calling seems kind of weak to me most of the time .. unless it's real creative. I do like learning new terms from my Euro mates though, in particular the Brits.
codswallop 😀

Originally posted by jammer
The most interesting post in the whole thread IMO .. I actually learned something.

I think it settled the question of what is and isn't an Ad Hominem Fallacy and what is a simple insult (ad hominem attack).

Personal insults have there place in an informal debate.
They may result in a desired effect .. something to do with "heat" and going in "the k ...[text shortened]... I do like learning new terms from my Euro mates though, in particular the Brits.
codswallop 😀

It still is violating the ToS.

Originally posted by ivanhoe
It still is violating the ToS.

Like practically every second post in the General forum, clan forum, etc etc etc. Go on, scour the forums...buy some good quality steel wool...(does sarcasm violate the ToS?).

Originally posted by bbarr
http://faculty.washington.edu/smcohen/120/LectureNotes.htm

It would be nice if you would tell me where, among all the information, I can find the "Argumentum ad Hominem" and the "Argumentum ad Hominem Abusive".

Originally posted by ivanhoe
It would be nice if you would tell me where, among all the information, I can find the "Argumentum ad Hominem" and the "Argumentum ad Hominem Abusive".

You won't find any discussion of informal fallacies in the course above. I thought you were looking for logic courses, so I gave you a link to a logic course. If you're looking for a credible discussion of informal fallacies, you could do worse than these sites:

http://www.olemiss.edu/courses/logic/fallacies.htm

http://www.drury.edu/ess/logic/informal/AdHominem.html

Originally posted by bbarr
You won't find any discussion of informal fallacies in the course above. I thought you were looking for logic courses, so I gave you a link to a logic course. If you're looking for a credible discussion of informal fallacies, you could do worse than these sites:

http://www.olemiss.edu/courses/logic/fallacies.htm

http://www.drury.edu/ess/logic/informal/AdHominem.html

Thanks.

Originally posted by bbarr
http://faculty.washington.edu/smcohen/120/LectureNotes.htm

Thanks, I appreciate it.