Arizona blocks federal gun regulation

@vivify said
The Constitution does NOT give personal protection as a reason for gun ownership; the point was to maintain a well-regulated militia. The largest and most powerful military in the world both no longer needs a militia and doesn't even have one.

That part is key: despite all the guns in this country, the U.S. doesn't have a "well-regulated" militia that can be reliably use ...[text shortened]... for private gun ownership. The need gun ownership mentioned in the Constitution *no longer exists*.

Look at Viv go! here you are saying - the US unequivocally no longer needs a militia and doesn't even have one. Both statements are total BS.

The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) identified 334 militia groups at their peak in 2011. It identified 276 in 2015, up from 202 in 2014. In 2016, the SPLC identified a total of 165 armed militia groups within the United States. . Affiliates of the Oath Keepers and III%-styled groups are excluded.
-- further, the SPLC get to choose who is and who isn't a militia group? Interesting. Because the Oath Keepers are not a terrorist group. That's political BS.

Charge II. Viv, we need a militia more now than ever before. The militia's are not here to protect us from foreign militaries, they are here to protect us from the type of purges to society that communists/marxists are famous for. They are here to help us to defeat juntas and other wrongful groups that have usurped power.

And we need their protection NOW. Who knows where we'd be without their presence?
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EDIT to add:


Oath Keepers is an American far-right[1] anti-government[2][3] militia organization[4] composed of current and former military, police, and first responders who pledge to fulfill the oath that all military and police take in order to "defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic".[5] It encourages its members to disobey orders which they believe would violate the U.S. Constitution. The organization claims a membership of 35,000 as of 2016, though the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) has estimated its membership at several thousand.[6][7] Researchers estimate the number as probably no higher than 5,000.[8]
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Saying they are "far right" and "anti government" is left wing propaganda. Saying I am anti-communist means I am anti government??
that is why the SPLC does not count them as a militia group. they may be against *certain* leftist marxist governments, yes, but that hardly makes them illegal and unamerican.

Further, if an armed militia group was Marxist would they be declared anti government? Hell no.

Yes, even wiki is full of political bull

@kevcvs57 said
No but the development of automatic and magazine fed weapons was a game changer. Precisely because it’s in our nature to kill each other that we need to restrict our ability to kill each other. 🙄

what was used to kill 6 million Jews, what was used to kill thousands of Japanese?
It is way too late to try to restrict firearms...the law breakers dont care about laws.

@earl-of-trumps said
Look at Viv go! here you are saying - the US unequivocally no longer needs a militia and doesn't even have one. Both statements are total BS.

The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) identified 334 militia groups at their peak in 2011. It identified 276 in 2015, up from 202 in 2014. In 2016, the SPLC identified a total of 165 armed militia groups within the United States. . Affiliates of the Oath Keepers and III%-styled groups are excluded.

Key words from the Constitution: a well-regulated militia.

We don't have that. Note that I went out of my way to point out a militia that can be *reliably* counted on; I said that in my post. There is no militia we can reliably call on for defense of the country (or the state it it's in), nor is there any need for one.

If a state is attacked, how does the governor contact the militia and set forth battle plans? Hint: he doesn't. Who contacts the militia and organizes them into battle? Hint: no one.

@mott-the-hoople said
what was used to kill 6 million Jews, what was used to kill thousands of Japanese?
It is way too late to try to restrict firearms...the law breakers dont care about laws.

Yeah I think by the time your average US nut job has set up his school yard gas chamber most of the kids would’ve got away, is it worth mentioning that they herded them into the gas chamber with automatic weapons.

@vivify said
Key words from the Constitution: a well-regulated militia.

We don't have that. Note that I went out of my way to point out a militia that can be *reliably* counted on; I said that in my post. There is no militia we can reliably call on for defense of the country (or the state it it's in), nor is there any need for one.

If a state is attacked, how does the gove ...[text shortened]... plans? Hint: he doesn't. Who contacts the militia and organizes them into battle? Hint: no one.

I would say the militia is well regulated. They cannot have certain weapons that the feds have outlawed.
Further, the FBI and CIA have embedded spies within these militias to keep tabs on them.

Point deux: The militias *can* be called on to defend the country from a foreign invader but America has
the military and the reserves to do that. I see the militias as being in the role of trying to protect the masses
from the military that has been turned on the people. Remember, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Never let one group have all the power. That's all I can tell you and that's all that needs to be said.

@earl-of-trumps said
I see the militias as being in the role of trying to protect the masses
from the military that has been turned on the people.

If the government truly turns on it's own citizens guns won't be enough.

Your rifles won't reach the jets flying thousands of feet in the air, nor will bullets stop the missiles fired from them. Guns will not pierce armored tanks with firepower that can easily take out apartment buildings or whatever hideout you think you can safely shoot from. And no amount of guns on earth will stop nukes.

@vivify said
If the government truly turns on it's own citizens guns won't be enough.

Your rifles won't reach the jets flying thousands of feet in the air, nor will bullets stop the missiles fired from them. Guns will not pierce armored tanks with firepower that can easily take out apartment buildings or whatever hideout you think you can safely shoot from. And no amount of guns on earth will stop nukes.

Oh, I agree, it is a lost cause. You can make life miserable for them fighting as a guerilla group
but if you don't get any sympathizers from the military to join the people's army, you're doomed.

So we go to the grave knowing that we fought as hard as we could. Nothing left to do.