@metal-brain saidDid you just call sonhouse paranoid 😂😂😂
Big tech censorship is desperate to control the masses then. Censorship is unamerican.
"Many of Putin's critics also have been murdered, poisoned or kidnapped."
Same thing with the Clintons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Body_Count
This is a humdinger of a disinformation team Putin has gathered for himself.
@kevcvs57 saidI made this post almost a month ago, but you still seem to be just parroting a simple-minded line to try and justify war with Russia. The reasons for this invasion are far more complex than you seem to be able to grasp:
You are posting like a complete idiot now, I guess once the debate goes beyond provincial US legal matters you need water wings.
Your supposed reasons for Putin’s invasion of Ukraine are utter and blatant nonsense. Perhaps you should stay out of these more complex geopolitical debates.
Putin invaded Ukraine to crush its democratically arrived at wish to lurch toward the we ...[text shortened]... s, or perhaps it’s not nativity at all, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it is.
"Allow me to put forth a couple of developments which might have contributed to the Russian decision, unjustified as it might be:
Political maneuvers in Ukraine which were hostile to the Russian minority there including a discriminatory language law against Russian which went into effect last month (https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/01/19/new-language-requirement-raises-concerns-ukraine) and a security law which granted a State agency "extraordinary surveillance powers and the ability to collect and store public and private information about individuals and institutions." (https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/10/08/ukraine-security-agency-reform-bill-risks-undermining-human-rights)
The US under Trump withdrawing from three arms control treaties, one of which limited medium ranged nuclear missiles. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/21/open-skies-us-russia-arms-treaty-trump-pulls-out
The West's cavalier rejection of the main points of the proposed Russia-West security treaty made in December 2021. https://mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/rso/nato/1790818/?lang=en
Putin has incessantly complained about the mistreatment of ethnic Russians in the Ukraine, the possibility of nuclear missiles being deployed in NATO countries and, of course, like his predecessors, including Yeltsin, about NATO expansion into Eastern Europe. Many posters here seem to think that these are all non-serious objections but how likely is it that the developments above played some or a key part in the decision to invade now?"
In the "Why Now?" thread, second page.
I might add the arrest of the chairman of the largest opposition party and the shutting down of his newspapers. We can all agree that Putin's treatment of Alexei Navalny is an outrageous attack on democratic norms, but why is Zelensky's similar treatment of Viktor Medvedchuk completely ignored? https://apnews.com/article/europe-ukraine-arrests-business-government-and-politics-f50da684fab61add42348d276482477c
Unless the actual reasons for the invasion are addressed in negotiation, there is little chance for a quick end to the war which surely all rational persons must desire. On the other hand, if one just views Putin as an evil, mustache twirling, villainous madman the path to a general war between the West and Russia seems inevitable.
24 Mar 22
@no1marauder saidJust because it seems complex to you No1 those of us who have watched this coming since the invasion of Georgia don’t find it very complicated at all.
I made this post almost a month ago, but you still seem to be just parroting a simple-minded line to try and justify war with Russia. The reasons for this invasion are far more complex than you seem to be able to grasp:
"Allow me to put forth a couple of developments which might have contributed to the Russian decision, unjustified as it might be:
Political maneuver ...[text shortened]... twirling, villainous madman the path to a general war between the West and Russia seems inevitable.
“The collapse of the Soviet Union was the biggest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century”
Vladimir Putin.
Do you think his neighbours in the west agree with this analysis? How can you pretend that his demand that NATO retreats back to the old soviet border is reasonable and or complex given his obvious ambitions in the west.
How can you still pretend that NATO is anything other than a defensive alliance in this geopolitical theatre given its lack of offensive action against Russia in this very conflict. It will not even risk directly supplying Ukraine with aircraft to save the innocent civilians in Ukraine 🤷🏻♂️
Why do you constantly repeat the lie that Putin has legitimate concerns about Russian security regarding NATO which is a voluntary alliance of states.
Clearly NATO is never ever going to be an existential threat to a nation with the kind of nuclear arsenal possessed by Russia.
Russia on the other hand has proved itself to be an actual observable threat to its sovereign neighbours.
Your analysis of this situation constantly verges on the surreal.
25 Mar 22
@kevcvs57 saidHe thinks anybody who doesn't have an emotional hate for Russia is Russian or working for the Russians. You don't think that is paranoid? Of course not, because you have the same paranoid delusions. You are like Margaret Brennan. She thinks condemning Russia will solve something. The Chinese Ambassador called her naive because that is what she is.
Did you just call sonhouse paranoid 😂😂😂
This is a humdinger of a disinformation team Putin has gathered for himself.
https://rumble.com/vy6wvp-obnoxious-cbs-host-berates-chinese-ambassador-over-ukraine.html
25 Mar 22
@kevcvs57 saidThe Russians didn't conquer Georgia in 2008, did they? They haven't engaged in any military activities in the area since then, have they? Their slow motion conquest of Europe that you insist they are embarking on is sure taking a long time!
Just because it seems complex to you No1 those of us who have watched this coming since the invasion of Georgia don’t find it very complicated at all.
“The collapse of the Soviet Union was the biggest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century”
Vladimir Putin.
Do you think his neighbours in the west agree with this analysis? How can you pretend that his demand that NAT ...[text shortened]... reat to its sovereign neighbours.
Your analysis of this situation constantly verges on the surreal.
Your paranoid delusions are almost laughable; Russian "ambitions in the west" are hardly obvious nor has it insisted that NATO retreat back to the old soviet border (though that would be considerably less than Western leaders promised in return for the USSR permitting the reunification of Germany and withdrawal from other hostile countries in Eastern Europe).
Have you mentioned to the Serbs, Libyans, Afghans, Iraqis, etc. etc. etc. how NATO is just a "defensive alliance"? And why again with the ridiculous argument that because NATO is a "voluntary alliance" it can't be a threat to other nations security? For a refutation of that silliness google "Rome-Berlin-Tokyo Axis".
25 Mar 22
@no1marauder saidBut that was just you covering up for your previous utterly misguided stance that Putin would not invade Ukraine even though he had already invaded Ukraine.
I made this post almost a month ago, but you still seem to be just parroting a simple-minded line to try and justify war with Russia. The reasons for this invasion are far more complex than you seem to be able to grasp:
"Allow me to put forth a couple of developments which might have contributed to the Russian decision, unjustified as it might be:
Political maneuver ...[text shortened]... twirling, villainous madman the path to a general war between the West and Russia seems inevitable.
He decided to invade Ukraine proper before he amassed nearly 200,000 troops on its border 🙄 or do you contend it was just a coincidence 🤔 I just cannot believe your being this disingenuous. I’d love to know your motives for this nonsense.
25 Mar 22
@kevcvs57 saidPutin hoped that he could get a legally binding pledge that Ukraine would not join NATO. That would mean a change to the Ukraine constitution since they changed it to seek NATO membership. The seeking of NATO membership was written into the Ukraine constitution.
But that was just you covering up for your previous utterly misguided stance that Putin would not invade Ukraine even though he had already invaded Ukraine.
He decided to invade Ukraine proper before he amassed nearly 200,000 troops on its border 🙄 or do you contend it was just a coincidence 🤔 I just cannot believe your being this disingenuous. I’d love to know your motives for this nonsense.
That reasonable concession could have avoided war, but the USA wanted a proxy war so they told their puppet dictator not to. Obama took Ukraine in a bloody coup and now it is our colony. Zelenskyy is a puppet dictator just like the Shah of Iran was.
There are no white hats. All of the big international power players are evil. You need to think of them as organized crime syndicates at the highest level, because that is what they are.
25 Mar 22
@metal-brain saidStop lying and stop being stupid
Putin hoped that he could get a legally binding pledge that Ukraine would not join NATO. That would mean a change to the Ukraine constitution since they changed it to seek NATO membership. The seeking of NATO membership was written into the Ukraine constitution.
That reasonable concession could have avoided war, but the USA wanted a proxy war so they told their puppet ...[text shortened]... to think of them as organized crime syndicates at the highest level, because that is what they are.
27 Mar 22
@kevcvs57 saidRussia is winning the war. That is why Zelenskyy keeps begging for a no fly zone despite many statements from Biden and Jen Psaki saying that isn't going to happen.
Stop lying and stop being stupid
https://www.globalresearch.ca/nato-russia-proxy-war-revealing-signs-of-a-fading-america/5775462
Remember those battle maps of Ukraine we used to see on the corporate news media? They don't show them anymore. Guess why?
27 Mar 22
@metal-brain saidThey're one on AlJazeera every day. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/27/russias-invasion-of-ukraine-list-of-key-events-from-day-32
Russia is winning the war. That is why Zelenskyy keeps begging for a no fly zone despite many statements from Biden and Jen Psaki saying that isn't going to happen.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/nato-russia-proxy-war-revealing-signs-of-a-fading-america/5775462
Remember those battle maps of Ukraine we used to see on the corporate news media? They don't show them anymore. Guess why?
Eyeballing it, the Russians seem to have made some gains in he last few days between Kyiv and Kharkiv and seem to have extended the area they control in the South. Mariupol seems hopelessly lost, but the Ukrainians there refuse to surrender despite a Russian offer of safe passage for both troops and civilians if they did.
27 Mar 22
@no1marauder saidThe corp. news media is trying to claim because Russia is digging in and laying mine fields they are on the defensive. That isn't really the case. They are securing the areas around Kiev they have already gained to free up soldiers to completely surround Kiev.
They're one on AlJazeera every day. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/27/russias-invasion-of-ukraine-list-of-key-events-from-day-32
Eyeballing it, the Russians seem to have made some gains in he last few days between Kyiv and Kharkiv and seem to have extended the area they control in the South. Mariupol seems hopelessly lost, but the Ukrainians there refuse to surrender despite a Russian offer of safe passage for both troops and civilians if they did.
Ukraine is a big country and Russia has to shuffle troops around efficiently to work with the number of soldiers they have. They are improvising well. Russia is not on the defensive in general. Just in the areas they now control and need to keep to surround the city.
Then they will slowly choke the city of food and supplies. Brutal, but effective.
27 Mar 22
@metal-brain saidIt's also Rasputitsa time in the Ukraine, which generally slows offensive operations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[WORD TOO LONG].
The corp. news media is trying to claim because Russia is digging in and laying mine fields they are on the defensive. That isn't really the case. They are securing the areas around Kiev they have already gained to free up soldiers to completely surround Kiev.
Ukraine is a big country and Russia has to shuffle troops around efficiently to work with the number of soldier ...[text shortened]... ound the city.
Then they will slowly choke the city of food and supplies. Brutal, but effective.
27 Mar 22
@no1marauder saidLooks like Biden made this comment to gauge public support for the idea. I am guessing not much.
It's also Rasputitsa time in the Ukraine, which generally slows offensive operations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[WORD TOO LONG].
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/blinken-awkwardly-tries-walk-back-bidens-regime-change-comments-putin
The leader of the Lugansk People’s Republic, one of the two breakaway territories in the Donbas that have been recognized by Moscow as independent states, said Sunday that he is planning to hold a referendum on joining the Russian Federation "in the near future".
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/leader-lugansk-peoples-republic-hints-referendum-join-russia-near-future
27 Mar 22
@sonhouse saidYou hate America. You want censorship that is crippling our already badly compromised democracy. You are a demonazi.
@Metal-Brain
The known America hater pukes out again.