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04 Mar 08
04 Mar 08
Originally posted by spruce112358It depends on how you define insult though, I mean I've your disagreeing with someone in a heated argument and they swing for you then its wrong. But if your just being personal and offensive then yea I'm all for knocking a person out.... The problem is what if your disagreeing with someone and you both find the others point of view offensive?
Actually, that's pretty recent. Brawling over insults used to be an acceptable American pastime. Ah, the good ol' days!
The notion has some appeal:
1) Being polite is your ticket into society. Without that ticket, no one has much interest in protecting you -- so you better fight well if you want to insult others gratuitously.
2) Verbal abuse IS ...[text shortened]... abuser to experience similar ill effects.
But the race has become less hardy than of old...
05 Mar 08
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Originally posted by bjohnson407OK.
If P (I punch a dude for insulting me verbally) then V (I'm violating American ideals).
I don't know... How about a little reasoning to help me get from A to B (or P to V)?
I would also like to cite precident in favor of Idealistic American Violence:
See Keith v. Bin Laden:
"you’ll be sorry that you messed with
The U.S. of A.
`Cause we`ll put a boot in your ass
It`s the American way"
In the United States we acknowledge an individual's inalienable Right to Speak Freely.
There's a start.
We also have a Right to Defend Ourselves, and assault is against the law.
Bin Laden attacked the USA, and Keith wrote a song about it. How is that responding to insults with violence? If anything it's the opposite. He advocates responding to violence with violence...but he advocates it in a nonviolent way. Violence as a response to violence is indeed the American Way...but then again, so is nonviolence. Dr. King was a true American, and he was peaceful.
By the way, I love that song 😵
05 Mar 08
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Originally posted by MexicoThe insult that spawned this topic is "your mother's a whore". It is unAmerican to assault someone for saying that, for instance. The People vs. Larry Flynt is an excellent example of this sort of thing, though it's about lawsuits in response, not assault.
It depends on how you define insult though, I mean I've your disagreeing with someone in a heated argument and they swing for you then its wrong. But if your just being personal and offensive then yea I'm all for knocking a person out.... The problem is what if your disagreeing with someone and you both find the others point of view offensive?
05 Mar 08
Originally posted by AThousandYoungDepends on context, but if the person is trying to insult you then yea swing for him, although a headbutt to the nose is generally more effective... Nobody ever expects a headbutt
The insult that spawned this topic is "your mother's a whore". It is unAmerican to assault someone for saying that, for instance.
05 Mar 08
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Originally posted by MexicoThe person is trying to insult the other.
Depends on context, but if the person is trying to insult you then yea swing for him, although a headbutt to the nose is generally more effective... Nobody ever expects a headbutt
You're not one of us, and you're not even bothering to try to answer the question. Yeah I know lots of tough guys want to punch people for insulting their Mommy.
Lots of tough guys also shoot at babies. It just happened in my neighborhood a week or two ago. That doesn't make it right or consistent with American ideals.
I'm a wannabe tough guy and I want to kill and hurt lots of different people...starting with my local gangsters. However I understand that hurting people for what their tattoos say, even if it's something abhorrent like "18th Street" or a swastica is immoral and unAmerican.
05 Mar 08
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Originally posted by smw6869Not necessarily. For example, laws have been passed but struck down as UnConstitutional. An example of this were the laws against sodomy.
If you consider the laws of the land to be Americans Idealism,then yes it is against American ideals. I'm sure most every country has the same ideal.
Granny.
Thus the law of the land was in violation with American ideals.
05 Mar 08
If someone Verbally INSULTS you it's just a pissing game. It's not verbal ASSULT. The person making the Insult must have the capacity to carry through. If a person says he's going to beat you with a baseball bat and he doesn't have a baseball bat with him it's not verbal Assult. If you call the police on him they will say to call them back when the guy shows up with the baseball bat. I've been through this, but i was threatened with a Gun. The police would not even contact the guy even though i had his address and telephone number. So, i told the police that if he showed up on my property they'ed have to scrape him off my driveway with a putty knife. The officer said it would be better to call them first.
A person can insult you or your mother all he wants, but it's against the law to hit him...the sticks and stones theory. (I favor the headbutt)
Granny.
05 Mar 08
Originally posted by smw6869My point if someone is trying to insult you, then they are deliberately trying to goad you into responding. However, there are very, very, few things which can be said that will make me rise to violence, actually the only times I end up in fights are when the odds aren't even.
If someone Verbally INSULTS you it's just a pissing game. It's not verbal ASSULT. The person making the Insult must have the capacity to carry through. If a person says he's going to beat you with a baseball bat and he doesn't have a baseball bat with him it's not verbal Assult. If you call the police on him they will say to call them back when the guy shows ...[text shortened]... nst the law to hit him...the sticks and stones theory. (I favor the headbutt)
Granny.
Say 2 guys pick a fight with one, I'll generally step up and point out that this isn't a reasonable or fair fight. And actually if a group picks a fight with you then the best way to deal with it is single one out (leader) and tell him you'll fight Him and him alone.... That usually quietens them down a bit.
If you really want to beat on someone then I recommend goading them back to the point where they swing for you, your a pretty smart guy so you probably know its not that hard to goad thugs who want to swing for you. Dodging the blows of an angry man is a reasonably easy thing to do. Then your response is self defense. Then there's no problem.
Personally though I think the best thing to do is avoid fighting, walking away is a pretty easy thing to do.
05 Mar 08
Originally posted by MexicoYes, i agree. I was just dwelling on the legal aspect of verbal insults.
My point if someone is trying to insult you, then they are deliberately trying to goad you into responding. However, there are very, very, few things which can be said that will make me rise to violence, actually the only times I end up in fights are when the odds aren't even.
Say 2 guys pick a fight with one, I'll generally step up and point out that thi ...[text shortened]... I think the best thing to do is avoid fighting, walking away is a pretty easy thing to do.
Granny.
05 Mar 08
Originally posted by smw6869Jumping into this debate ... My wife has expressed some concern that I have ordered some anti-Obama t-shirts to wear to the gym. She has stated that she has read a couple stories about one person physically much less verbally assaulting someone else over political candidates. Trying to reassure her that its not a problem(she had no issue when I wore my anti-Hillary t shirts), I reminded her that Texas is a 'carry' state and people think twice here about physically assaulting somebody else, especially over something as stupid as politics.
Yes, i agree. I was just dwelling on the legal aspect of verbal insults.
Granny.
05 Mar 08
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungI would have to agree, it's surprisingly easy to kill someone by
If someone insults you, and you punch them because of it, you're in violation of American ideals.
Thoughts?
punching them. It's not the punch, it's if they hit their head
on the pavement.
People don't realise this because they're so used to seeing
people do it on television where it is made to look cool.
America has a responsibility to make people aware that what
happens in films does not reflect reality.
Some better physics in films wouldn't go amiss either!
Like that George Clooney in Iraq film where some fella throws
a football at a helicopter and hits it. LMAO
05 Mar 08
Originally posted by SMSBear716Yes! "An armed society is a polite society".
Jumping into this debate ... My wife has expressed some concern that I have ordered some anti-Obama t-shirts to wear to the gym. She has stated that she has read a couple stories about one person physically much less verbally assaulting someone else over political candidates. Trying to reassure her that its not a problem(she had no issue when I wore my an ...[text shortened]... re about physically assaulting somebody else, especially over something as stupid as politics.
Granny.