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04 Mar 08
05 Mar 08
Originally posted by smw6869I don't consider the law of the land to be -- necessarily -- in line with the American Ideals. I think that American's idolize the character of the Outlaw (think Clint Eastwood) for the very reason that they have a set of values higher than the law.
If you consider the laws of the land to be Americans Idealism,then yes it is against American ideals. I'm sure most every country has the same ideal.
Granny.
05 Mar 08
Originally posted by AThousandYoungThe free speach route makes sense to me, but I think that some violent acts might fall under that category. If Adult Male X (yes I'm a bit sexist on this point) says that my "mother's a whore," it is reasonable to expect my communicative response to be delivered with a fist rather than a verbal remark.
OK.
In the United States we acknowledge an individual's inalienable Right to Speak Freely.
There's a start.
We also have a Right to Defend Ourselves, and assault is against the law.
Bin Laden attacked the USA, and Keith wrote a song about it. How is that responding to insults with violence? If anything it's the opposite. He advocates res ...[text shortened]... lence. Dr. King was a true American, and he was peaceful.
By the way, I love that song 😵
In conjunction with the above post, I think that It is occasionally consistent with American Ideals to respond violently to a verbal insult.
05 Mar 08
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungWhat's "18th Street"?
[b[text shortened]... However I understand that hurting people for what their tattoos say, even if it's something abhorrent like "18th Street" or a swastica is immoral and unAmerican.[/b]
EDIT: nevermind, I googled it.
05 Mar 08
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Originally posted by bjohnson407Just another rodent organization that does stuff like this:
What's "18th Street"?
EDIT: nevermind, I googled it.
http://www.examiner.com/a-1258908~6_year_old_boy_shot_in_head_in_suspected_LA_gang_attack.html
It also happens to be the one that my cousin is serving life in prison for killing in the name of.
06 Mar 08
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Originally posted by bjohnson407It's reasonable to expect it. It's also reasonable to expect a bullet if you go tell the gangsters in the neighborhood that you plan to compete with them in drug dealing. That doesn't make it an American ideal.
The free speach route makes sense to me, but I think that some violent acts might fall under that category. If Adult Male X (yes I'm a bit sexist on this point) says that my "mother's a whore," it is reasonable to expect my communicative response to be delivered with a fist rather than a verbal remark.
In conjunction with the above post, I think that It is occasionally consistent with American Ideals to respond violently to a verbal insult.
06 Mar 08
Originally posted by bjohnson407You THINK? Do you think so because of your own experiences, or is your thinking simply a false personification? I loved those Italian made movies staring Eastwood. I think a lot of the rest of the world did also.
I don't consider the law of the land to be -- necessarily -- in line with the American Ideals. I think that American's idolize the character of the Outlaw (think Clint Eastwood) for the very reason that they have a set of values higher than the law.
Those that have a set of values higher than the Law go to jail.
Granny.
06 Mar 08
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Originally posted by smw6869He thinks so because of our long history of rebellion against unjust law, starting with the Revolution. The law often eventually gets changed in such cases.
You THINK? Do you think so because of your own experiences, or is your thinking simply a false personification? I loved those Italian made movies staring Eastwood. I think a lot of the rest of the world did also.
Those that have a set of values higher than the Law go to jail.
Granny.