02 Dec 20
@shavixmir saidI'm not that curious but if Trump pays for it I have no objection.
Do you think there should be a second recount in Georgia?
I would like a recount in MI. Here is why:
1)
https://counteveryvote.org/ ran ads in MI to sway public opinion in the state to accept the election results before MI certified the votes. Somebody didn't want a recount done in MI.
2)
Antrim county had thousands of votes flipped from red to blue. This proves Krebs is a liar. The corporate news media is pushing this lie. The corporate news media will not mention Antrim county. They are pretending it doesn't exist.
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It can't hurt. As long as Trump pays for it we will learn more about our elections and how accurate they are. This will benefit all people, even democrats that hate Trump. It is time for them to admit it. Opposing anything Trump is a stupid strategy. Give him the rope to hang himself.
@metal-brain saidThe law in Michigan doesn't allow for an automatic recount when the margin is as large as it is here.
I'm not that curious but if Trump pays for it I have no objection.
I would like a recount in MI. Here is why:
1)
https://counteveryvote.org/ ran ads in MI to sway public opinion in the state to accept the election results before MI certified the votes. Somebody didn't want a recount done in MI.
2)
Antrim county had thousands of votes flipped from red to blue. Th ...[text shortened]... r them to admit it. Opposing anything Trump is a stupid strategy. Give him the rope to hang himself.
You got your recount in Georgia and a partial one in Wisconsin, both States with far closer margins than Michigan. Neither came anywhere near changing the result. A statewide recount in Michigan would be a complete waste of time and illegal; a request for a recount had to be filed within 48 hours of the State canvass which was completed November 23rd (https://ballotpedia.org/Recount_laws_in_Michigan)
(https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/23/did-michigan-certify-election-results-board-canvassers/6388768002/).
@metal-brain saidSo, your point is that, in history, there has been fraud sometimes. Somebody somewhere committed some fraud or other at some time.
There is evidence of voter fraud. Is there evidence that it could substantially impact the election? Of course not.
Evidence of widespread voter fraud has never been found in world history. It is obvious dictatorships often rig their elections and widespread voter fraud exists, there is just never evidence to prove what many people already knew and know now.
If evi ...[text shortened]... intentional?
If Trump needs to reach a certain standard of proof what is that standard of proof?
But not enough to say that Trump was cheated out of a 2d term in office this time. The standard of evidence is whatever the law says it is.
Nothing to see here, folks, move along now.
@metal-brain said* You failed to provide any evidence as to the "flip" in a different thread. Repetition does not constitute proof!
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Antrim county had thousands of votes flipped from red to blue. This proves Krebs is a liar. The corporate news media is pushing this lie. The corporate news media will not mention Antrim county. They are pretending it doesn't exist.
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Please answer the Question why the Trump camapagin is trying highly improbable attempts at court if they have proof for Antrim County.
And as long as you repeat your thesis without any proof and in spite of a written certification of the result I call you: A liar.
02 Dec 20
@no1marauder saidA statewide recount in Michigan would be harmless. The only reason you object is because of the possibility it may change the result. If it were not for that you would be fine with it.
The law in Michigan doesn't allow for an automatic recount when the margin is as large as it is here.
You got your recount in Georgia and a partial one in Wisconsin, both States with far closer margins than Michigan. Neither came anywhere near changing the result. A statewide recount in Michigan would be a complete waste of time and illegal; a request for a recount ha ...[text shortened]... s/politics/elections/2020/11/23/did-michigan-certify-election-results-board-canvassers/6388768002/).
02 Dec 20
@ponderable saidYou are lying!
* You failed to provide any evidence as to the "flip" in a different thread. Repetition does not constitute proof!
Please answer the Question why the Trump camapagin is trying highly improbable attempts at court if they have proof for Antrim County.
And as long as you repeat your thesis without any proof and in spite of a written certification of the result I call you: A liar.
I provided a link from the Detroit Free Press that say votes were flipped in that thread. The word was even in the title of the article. Are you claiming the Detroit Free Press is lying?
If not you are clearly lying!
@moonbus saidNot enough? How much is enough? Is one dead person's vote enough for a recount? If not, how many dead people? How many dead people's votes does it take?
So, your point is that, in history, there has been fraud sometimes. Somebody somewhere committed some fraud or other at some time.
But not enough to say that Trump was cheated out of a 2d term in office this time. The standard of evidence is whatever the law says it is.
Nothing to see here, folks, move along now.
02 Dec 20
@Metal-Brain
So you dis the Attorney's General now saying there was no widespread fraud like Trump keeps puking out his millions of voter fraud with ZERO in the way of actual evidence, now the court cases are 37 to ZERO against Trump.
He doesn't care win or lose about those lawsuits, it is just optics to him, pandering to his base.
03 Dec 20
@sonhouse saidThe Attorney's General did not say there was no widespread fraud. Learn to read.
@Metal-Brain
So you dis the Attorney's General now saying there was no widespread fraud like Trump keeps puking out his millions of voter fraud with ZERO in the way of actual evidence, now the court cases are 37 to ZERO against Trump.
He doesn't care win or lose about those lawsuits, it is just optics to him, pandering to his base.
@metal-brain saidThis regulated by state law. Look it up yourself, how close an election has to be to trigger a recount.
Not enough? How much is enough? Is one dead person's vote enough for a recount? If not, how many dead people? How many dead people's votes does it take?
03 Dec 20
@metal-brain said"To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election," Barr said.
The Attorney's General did not say there was no widespread fraud. Learn to read.
"There's been one assertion that would be systemic fraud and that would be the claim that machines were programmed essentially to skew the election results," Mr Barr . . . told AP News on Tuesday, referring to the assertion that ballot machines were hacked to give more votes to Mr Biden, "and so far, we haven't seen anything to substantiate that".
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55153366
03 Dec 20
@earl-of-trumps saidIt seems that there are a couple of trolls left here that have begun working overtime to push voter fraud once again.
@moonbus - "To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election," Barr said
and it's not even the point, mister Barr
It has started up in earnest recently.
Looks like some of you got your marching orders.
Where else are you guys ? What other sites are you infecting with this garbage ?
Wine tasting sites ? Bird watching sites ? Horticultural sites ? Anywhere else ?
Hey guys !! It's over !!!!
I'm watching the news where COVID 19 pandemic is pretty important right now.
That's the more relevant news that most of us are focusing on.
Daily deaths in the US pushing 3000 daily. That's a 9/11 every day till a vaccine is rolled out.
Instead, we have to listen to the nonsense spewing out from Trump, Giuliani and others.
And, more worrisome, Michael Flynn, fresh off his pardon, calling for Trump to impose martial law.
Actually.....that is something we should all be worrying about.
As to your nonsensical threads ? I have been backing away from the white noise a bit.
Just dropping by to remind you guys there are more important things to worry about.
Trump got his arse kicked. Get over it !! Move on !!
03 Dec 20
@earl-of-trumps saidIt's the legal standard that must be met before the results of an election can be annulled and/or overturned.
@moonbus - "To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election," Barr said
and it's not even the point, mister Barr
So yeah it is the point as far as the Attorney General of the US is concerned.
03 Dec 20
@mghrn55 saidYour [rpm[ting me to actually converse with you..?????
It seems that there are a couple of trolls left here that have begun working overtime to push voter fraud once again.
It has started up in earnest recently.
Looks like some of you got your marching orders.
Where else are you guys ? What other sites are you infecting with this garbage ?
Wine tasting sites ? Bird watching sites ? Horticultural sites ? Anywhere else ?
He ...[text shortened]... are more important things to worry about.
Trump got his arse kicked. Get over it !! Move on !!
LOL
sure, child. sure.