Barr - No evidence of voter fraud

@no1marauder said
I think that if Donald Trump had won, you wouldn't have made hundreds of posts questioning the legitimacy of the election.

I don't recall you doing so in 2016.

@metal-brain said
I question the legitimacy of all elections. Recounts should happen more often to insure election fraud does not go undetected.

If you really believed the elections are as secure as you claim you would have no problem with additional recounts. You would encourage them.

@no1marauder said
You're full of it.

There have been recounts in Georgia and Wisconsin but you're still endorsing Trump and his allies' claims of voter fraud.

There is no legal basis for a recount in Michigan nor was one requested. And you wouldn't accept the results if one was done anyway as it would still show a comfortable Biden victory.

EDIT: Remember this thread: https://www. ...[text shortened]... nk conspiracy theory floated by Trump and his allies regarding the US Presidential Election in 2020.

@metal-brain said
The recounts in Georgia couldn't be done properly because the signatures were on the envelopes. The poll observers were told to go home. The envelopes were thrown away and no fraud involving that could be found since no signatures existed anymore. People testified under penalty of perjury to this.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/georgia-poll-observers-say-they-effectivel ...[text shortened]... -told-to-go-home_3605825.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-12-05-1

@no1marauder said
Basically recounts are useless if Donald Trump doesn't win them.

The handling of absentee ballots was mandated by State law which required the signatures on the envelopes be checked by inspectors of both parties and if verified, the outer envelopes separated from the ballots in the "secrecy" envelope so that individual voters' preference could not be known. Trump's aft ...[text shortened]... plaining about this happened when it became clear the hand audit was not going to change the result.

@metal-brain said
Then why not encourage recounts if he can't win them?

The poll observers were not there. They were told to go home. Read the article.

@no1marauder said
I read the claims. I also read the parts where State officials shot them down. You apparently missed that part.

IF there had been a difference in the significant number of outer envelopes v. the number of absentee ballots, there might have been a credible claim of fraud or more likely, mistake. But there was not and in fact, "There were more than 2,000 absentee ballots ...[text shortened]... w.gpb.org/news/2020/08/10/georgia-state-election-board-approves-absentee-ballot-process-improvements

@metal-brain said
"IF there had been a difference in the significant number of outer envelopes v. the number of absentee ballots, there might have been a credible claim of fraud or more likely, mistake."

You are debating in circles. We already went over this. There doesn't have to be a difference in the numbers for fraud to have happened. Ballots can be thrown out and replaced. The numbers remain the same and the election is rigged.

@no1marauder said
I read the claims. I also read the parts where State officials shot them down. You apparently missed that part.

IF there had been a difference in the significant number of outer envelopes v. the number of absentee ballots, there might have been a credible claim of fraud or more likely, mistake. But there was not and in fact, "There were more than 2,000 absentee ballots ...[text shortened]... w.gpb.org/news/2020/08/10/georgia-state-election-board-approves-absentee-ballot-process-improvements

@mghrn55 said
I think that the biggest beef amongst those that are constantly complaining about voter fraud is that mail-in ballots are prone to voter fraud.

I think that the real issue here is that mail-in ballots have effectively nullified the traditional right wing voter suppression tactics.
Think about it.
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Time to give it up. There's lots of work to be done out there, starting with COVID.

@metal-brain said
"IF there had been a difference in the significant number of outer envelopes v. the number of absentee ballots, there might have been a credible claim of fraud or more likely, mistake."

You are debating in circles. We already went over this. There doesn't have to be a difference in the numbers for fraud to have happened. Ballots can be thrown out and replaced. The numbers remain the same and the election is rigged.

@metal-brain said
"Moreover, the absentee ballots in the "secrecy" envelopes were separated from the outer envelopes BEFORE election night, so those allegations are pointless as regards them:"

That means they could not have all been separated since they were not all in. What about the mail in ballots that got there ON election night and the ballots that arrived after election night but were post marked on or before election night?

@no1marauder said
Prove that ballots were taken out of the "secrecy" envelopes and replaced.

And you'd have to prove about 80,000 were at a minimum in Michigan to invalidate the results.

This exercise also just shows your mewing about "recounts" is bogus; obviously a recount couldn't possibly uncover such non-existent fraud, so even if there was a recount in Michigan, you'd still say the election was "rigged" when the result remained a Biden victory.

@Metal-Brain
Poll observers cannot be forced to leave but they can be forced to stand back and let those people do their jobs. I don't suppose you told ANYONE about the fact Repub poll watchers were trying to intimidate the folks trying to do their job.

But of course you would NEVER believe that could EVER be possible by those republicans, who should all be put in for sainthood.

Here is something I WOULD vote for:

To allow all you ultrarightwingnuts to have your own reservation, live out your lives in abject fear which you are doing already now but you would have lots of like minded folks to commiserate your losses.