Debates
10 Sep 21
15 Sep 21
@sonhouse saidThank you.
@Metal-Brain
God, your lists of Phd's grows by the WEEK! Now it is political science but another post shows you with a Phd in microbiology, virology and the like. WOW, AM I IMPRESSED.
15 Sep 21
@no1marauder saidFair enough. I guess if there were a mandate, govt will be violating our 'body sovereignty', though. I guess libs are OK with that, but that is just a guess!!!
You don't get to demand "yes or no" answers on a Debates Forum.
There is a right to bodily sovereignty (one anti-abortion laws violate) but in the circumstances of deadly, contagious diseases mandatory vaccination laws have been used before. However, at this point, no jurisdiction in the US has put into place general mandatory vaccination laws.
I can't imagine being a govt employee and holding someone down while he gets jabbed. Could you do it?
15 Sep 21
@AverageJoe1
Well for sure I WOULD do it needed. Those people don't deserve to be called US citizens since they CLEARLY don't give a rats ass about the people around them.
Oh NO, I could NEVER give anyone Covid, I am Blessed by the LORD......
16 Sep 21
@sonhouse saidYou are so ignorant.
@AverageJoe1
Well for sure I WOULD do it needed. Those people don't deserve to be called US citizens since they CLEARLY don't give a rats ass about the people around them.
Oh NO, I could NEVER give anyone Covid, I am Blessed by the LORD......
The gene vaccines do not stop the spread and they do not slow the spread either. Israel is proof of that.
STOP SPREADING DISINFORMATION!
16 Sep 21
@averagejoe1 saidNobody suggested holding anyone down to force a jab. They just want to make your life difficult until you submit. People also have the option of quitting their job. that is what a lot of health care workers did recently. One hospital had to stop delivering babies because of it.
Fair enough. I guess if there were a mandate, govt will be violating our 'body sovereignty', though. I guess libs are OK with that, but that is just a guess!!!
I can't imagine being a govt employee and holding someone down while he gets jabbed. Could you do it?
What people feared would happen to hospitals because of covid happened because of biden. He did what covid didn't do. He did what ivermectin didn't do.
https://www.npr.org/2021/09/13/1036521499/covid-workers-resign-new-york-hospital-stops-baby-delivery
sonhouse is an idiot. The mandate is backfiring in the worst way.
16 Sep 21
@metal-brain saidIt is you who are pedaling misinformation:
You are so ignorant.
The gene vaccines do not stop the spread and they do not slow the spread either. Israel is proof of that.
STOP SPREADING DISINFORMATION!
"Those that have yet to receive even one shot of a COVID vaccine are only 17 percent of the eligible population in Israel, but they currently represent 65 percent of all serious cases in the country.
According to Health Ministry data, the ratio of unvaccinated people among the severely ill has continued to rise as more people are inoculated against the virus. As of September 13, out of the 664 severely ill patients, 437 were completely unvaccinated and 168 had received two doses. Only 59 had received the booster shot. The ratios are similar when analyzing new infections.
When calculating per capita, the contrast is even more stark. For every serious case of an Israeli over 60 that had received the booster shot, there are 33 serious cases of unvaccinated Israelis in the same age group."
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israel-s-17-unvaccinated-now-account-for-65-of-all-serious-covid-19-cases-1.10208784
16 Sep 21
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@no1marauder saidNo, you are!
It is you who are pedaling misinformation:
"Those that have yet to receive even one shot of a COVID vaccine are only 17 percent of the eligible population in Israel, but they currently represent 65 percent of all serious cases in the country.
According to Health Ministry data, the ratio of unvaccinated people among the severely ill has continued to rise as more peop ...[text shortened]... l-news/.premium-israel-s-17-unvaccinated-now-account-for-65-of-all-serious-covid-19-cases-1.10208784
I said it doesn't stop the spread or reduce the spread. That is represented by ALL SARS2 infections, not just serious illness. Nice attempt at moving the goal post, but you have failed.
STOP SPREADING DISINFORMATION!
@metal-brain saidNo, it doesn't reduce the spread among those who refuse to be vaccinated.
No, you are!
I said it doesn't stop the spread or reduce the spread. That is represented by ALL SARS2 infections, not just serious illness. Nice attempt at moving the goal post, but you have failed.
STOP SPREADING DISINFORMATION!
It does among those who do get vaccinated though: "The new study, published in the CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, also found that unvaccinated people were nearly five times more likely to be infected with Covid than people who got the shots." https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/24/cdc-study-shows-unvaccinated-people-are-29-times-more-likely-to-be-hospitalized-with-covid.html
16 Sep 21
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@no1marauder saidSTOP LYING!
No, it doesn't reduce the spread among those who refuse to be vaccinated.
It does among those who do get vaccinated though: "The new study, published in the CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, also found that unvaccinated people were nearly five times more likely to be infected with Covid than people who got the shots." https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/24/cdc-study-shows-unvaccinated-people-are-29-times-more-likely-to-be-hospitalized-with-covid.html
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/nearly-60-of-hospitalized-covid-19-patients-in-israel-fully-vaccinated-study-finds.html
Once again, CDC data has been corrupted. Israel's data is the best. STOP USING CORRUPTED US DATA!
@metal-brain saidA post ago you said don't use "serious illness", now you want to rely on hospitalizations!
STOP LYING!
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/nearly-60-of-hospitalized-covid-19-patients-in-israel-fully-vaccinated-study-finds.html
Once again, CDC data has been corrupted. Israel's data is the best. STOP USING CORRUPTED US DATA!
And from your article:
"Given the large number of fully vaccinated Israelis, some breakthrough cases were expected, health officials say, and a growing body of research has shown those who are unvaccinated face far higher risks of severe illness or death from a COVID-19 infection. "
Moreover, the article says "78 percent of those ages 12 and older fully vaccinated, mostly with the Pfizer vaccine." So if 22% are unvaccinated but they represent 40% of cases, then they would have more than twice the chance of the vaccinated to be hospitalized even if 60% of the hospitalized were vaccinated.
Which are you worse at: reading or math?
Here's a hypothetical example: assume we have a 1000 Israelis and 100 of them get hospitalized with COVID. Using the percentages from your article, 780 of the 1000 would be vaccinated and 220 unvaccinated. 60 of the hospitalized would be vaccinated and 40 unvaccinated. So the chance of the vaccinated being hospitalized would be 1 in 13 while the chance of the unvaccinated being hospitalized would be one in 5.5. So, by your Israel numbers, the unvaccinated have almost 2 and a half times the chance of being hospitalized as the vaccinated.
16 Sep 21
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@no1marauder saidHospitalizations only are also irrelevant to spread. ALL SARS2 infections must be counted, but the article I posted say the majority of hospitalizations are among the vaccinated, which contradicts your article.
A post ago you said don't use "serious illness", now you want to rely on hospitalizations!
And from your article:
"Given the large number of fully vaccinated Israelis, some breakthrough cases were expected, health officials say, and a growing body of research has shown those who are unvaccinated face far higher risks of severe illness or death from a COVID-19 infec ...[text shortened]... the unvaccinated have almost 2 and a half times the chance of being hospitalized as the vaccinated.
Use data from Israel and use the data from ALL infections, not serious infections or hospitalized. I don't even know what "serious illness" means. Does that mean all hospitalizations or just some of them? You seem to be assuming all of them, but I don't know if that is the case. You probably don't either.
I have to constantly remind you of what you already know, the US data is corrupted. You cannot use CDC data to prove your claims anymore. You know the CDC does not count all breakthrough infections.
Israel's data is the best in the world that I am aware of. Use that data. If you don't you will only prove you are deliberately misleading people.
https://www.technocracy.news/60-of-those-older-than-50-who-die-from-covid-are-double-vaxxed/
@metal-brain said🚧🚨Moronity of Gop alert!!!🚨🚧
You are so ignorant.
The gene vaccines do not stop the spread and they do not slow the spread either. Israel is proof of that.
STOP SPREADING DISINFORMATION!
You are so ignorant. Still calling them gene vaccinnes.
16 Sep 21
@shavixmir saidLOL!
You are so ignorant. Still calling them gene vaccinnes.
Development of COVID-19 vaccines utilizing gene therapy technology
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33772572/
https://hms.harvard.edu/news/gene-vaccine
You are so ignorant you are making a complete ass out of yourself.
@metal-brain said🚧🚨Moronity of Gop alert!!!🚨🚧
LOL!
Development of COVID-19 vaccines utilizing gene therapy technology
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33772572/
https://hms.harvard.edu/news/gene-vaccine
You are so ignorant you are making a complete ass out of yourself.
16 Sep 21
Most voters support President Joe Biden’s recent order to make employers with more than 100 employees require vaccination against COVID-19. However, a majority believe those who have natural immunity should not be required to get the vaccine.
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/covid_19/51_support_biden_s_covid_19_vaccine_mandate_policy?utm_campaign=RR09152021DN&utm_source=criticalimpact&utm_medium=email
Most people do not want people like me to be coerced into vaccination. As long as that number does not change vaccine passports will fail. When people become aware that the gene vaccines do not stop the spread or even slow it down the support for Biden's mandate will drop to a minority. That explains why "their patience was wearing thin". The poll numbers alarmed them. They are failing and they are desperate now. The truth is coming out.
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