biden has embarrassed the US on the world stage

@mghrn55 said
Kind of sums up what keeps you up at night.
You forgot to mention Roe v Wade.

Freeloaders loved Trump. He oversaw a nearly $800 billion increase to the annual federal budget. He proposed nothing to shore up Social Security's retirement program, and his Medicare proposals were simply ignored by Congress. Worse, he signed into law over $2.1 trillion in ten-year discretionary spending increases alone, all of which will be added directly to the debt in future years.

Almost all of these years the economy was booming, we were getting out of foreign wars, we were in great shape. We should have been spending a lot less at the federal level, but Trump had other plans.

The nanny state grows under GOP leadership just as quickly as under Democrats.

@velns said
Afghanistan has been an evolving disaster for at least two decades … but sure, let’s blame the guy who’s only in charge 7 months.

You're right at that - Trump is more to blame than Biden, but the ultimate blame lies on Dubya and his gung-ho band of cronies like Rumsfeld and Cheney.

@shallow-blue said
You're right at that - Trump is more to blame than Biden, but the ultimate blame lies on Dubya and his gung-ho band of cronies like Rumsfeld and Cheney.

so biden isnt responsible for breaking the deal Trump had in place?

@very-busty said
The U.S. saved Britain from Germany, not the other way around.

How dumb are you?

Err the Russians saved everyone from Germany the US saved Western Europe from the Russians in the immediate post war era, maybe.

@mott-the-hoople said
so biden isnt responsible for breaking the deal Trump had in place?

Trump is to blame for making it in the first place.

@mghrn55 said
Trump is to blame for making it in the first place.

Funny, that's what Biden just said.

@mghrn55 said
Trump is to blame for making it in the first place.

Trump is to blame for making a peace deal?

@averagejoe1 said
Funny, that's what Biden just said.

Well you could argue that by freezing out the Afghan government, setting a date certain for the US withdrawal and by freeing 5000 prisoners to replenish their ranks, Trump strengthened the position of the Taliban and severely undermined the morale of Afghans fighting against them.

Personally, I think thats probably true but that the end result was inevitable anyway.

@mott-the-hoople said
Trump is to blame for making a peace deal?

It was a withdrawal deal not a peace deal; nothing in it required the Taliban to lay down their arms and the Afghan government, who's troops were doing most of the fighting against them, was not a party to the agreement.

@no1marauder said
It was a withdrawal deal not a peace deal; nothing in it required the Taliban to lay down their arms and the Afghan government, who's troops were doing most of the fighting again them, was not a party to the agreement.

it was a peace deal for US forces and civilians to be able to leave peacefully. biden has caused a lot of deaths and child rape with leaving all at once. if he was going to leave why did he wait till after the Trump deal had expired?

@no1marauder said
It was a withdrawal deal not a peace deal; nothing in it required the Taliban to lay down their arms and the Afghan government, who's troops were doing most of the fighting again them, was not a party to the agreement.

"nothing in it required the Taliban to lay down their arms and the Afghan government, who's troops were doing most of the fighting again them, was not a party to the agreement.'

but I never claimed it did...

@mott-the-hoople said
"nothing in it required the Taliban to lay down their arms and the Afghan government, who's troops were doing most of the fighting again them, was not a party to the agreement.'

but I never claimed it did...

You claimed it was a "peace deal".

It wasn't.

@mott-the-hoople said
it was a peace deal for US forces and civilians to be able to leave peacefully. biden has caused a lot of deaths and child rape with leaving all at once. if he was going to leave why did he wait till after the Trump deal had expired?

US troops and civilians are leaving peacefully.

Whatever deaths and child rapes that might occur following a Taliban victory would have occurred whether the US withdrew on May 1 or August 31. Trump's agreement made that victory inevitable.

@no1marauder said
US troops and civilians are leaving peacefully.

Whatever deaths and child rapes that might occur following a Taliban victory would have occurred whether the US withdrew on May 1 or August 31. Trump's agreement made that victory inevitable.

I agree with all of the above, a mess, but it is what it is. Now what? That is the question, Today. We could start by bringing 250,000 afghans here, who will take about 200 years to acclimate. If they start seeing our internet sites, TV, malls, and this Forum, they won't be able to handle it.

@no1marauder said
US troops and civilians are leaving peacefully.

Whatever deaths and child rapes that might occur following a Taliban victory would have occurred whether the US withdrew on May 1 or August 31. Trump's agreement made that victory inevitable.

how many of the 10,000 Americans trapped there NOW do you think agrees with you?