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14 Jul 23
27 Jul 23
@no1marauder saidShampoo:
Do I have to tell the story of how the terms "Right" and "Left" became defined in political discourse again? Here's a brief but handy guide:
"The modern usage of the political terms left and right comes from the French Revolution of 1789 when supporters of the king stood to the president’s right, and supporters of the revolution to his left."
"The citizens who wante ...[text shortened]... hority stood to the right."
http://factmyth.com/the-origin-of-the-political-terms-left-and-right/
Now you have even more of a reason to enjoy your shower time. The word shampoo comes from Hindi, and means ‘to massage’. Derived from the Sanskrit root chapati (चपति), the word initially referred to any type of pressing, kneading, or soothing. The definition was later extended to mean ‘wash the hair’ in 1860, and it was only in the 1950s that its meaning was further extended to refer to the washing of carpets and other materials.
27 Jul 23
@no1marauder saidI think that you are, indeed, an experimental bot. The scientists are using this forum to test it (you). Lord, when they couple it with AI, we will be overloaded. Is there a forum rule re the number of links per post?
Do I have to tell the story of how the terms "Right" and "Left" became defined in political discourse again? Here's a brief but handy guide:
"The modern usage of the political terms left and right comes from the French Revolution of 1789 when supporters of the king stood to the president’s right, and supporters of the revolution to his left."
"The citizens who wante ...[text shortened]... hority stood to the right."
http://factmyth.com/the-origin-of-the-political-terms-left-and-right/
27 Jul 23
@no1marauder saidIs that you, Joe Biden? BS.
Who said there were "no consequences"? I've already discussed them with, IMO, the benefits of the proposed policy far outweighing the relatively small cost in foregone revenue.
The two main consequences would be:
1. 43 million working and middle class Americans would have their debts reduced by $20,000 to $30,000 increasing their net worth and making them more likel ...[text shortened]... f our society.
2. The US government would see its tax revenue reduced by about 0.5% for 5 years.
@AverageJoe1
With all of this dodging, you never simply said why people are upset, since there is minimal if any, consequence? If 1 and 2 above are correct,,,,,,,,
Why?
28 Jul 23
@averagejoe1 saidI already answered that to the best of my ability:
@AverageJoe1
With all of this dodging, you never simply said why people are upset, since there is minimal if any, consequence? If 1 and 2 above are correct,,,,,,,,
Why?
no1: "And I can't read the minds of imbecile right wingers like yourself, so why you guys think such nonsense and get upset because you are told to is beyond my expertise. Obviously the uneducated like yourself are resentful of the sons and daughters of working and middle class people who were able to better themselves because of government programs which made it possible for them to get an advanced education, but why that is so is something you should probably discuss with a therapist, not on an online forum."
And 1 and 2 are correct as I have shown you repeatedly (though you whine and cry if I provide links proving this).
28 Jul 23
@wajoma saidI'd say interesting, but it really isn't.
Shampoo:
Now you have even more of a reason to enjoy your shower time. The word shampoo comes from Hindi, and means ‘to massage’. Derived from the Sanskrit root chapati (चपति), the word initially referred to any type of pressing, kneading, or soothing. The definition was later extended to mean ‘wash the hair’ in 1860, and it was only in the 1950s that its meaning was further extended to refer to the washing of carpets and other materials.
I suppose you are trying to make some sort of satirical point, but my link and definition were actually relevant to something in this thread and elsewhere here i.e. your repeated claim not to be "right wing". However, your intense dislike for democracy is one of the many positions you take clearly identifying you with that branch of political philosophy. There are, of course, many others: your simple minded laissez faire economic "ideas", your bigoted justifications for Euro conquest and oppression of indigenous peoples, your defense of segregation and private discrimination, etc. etc. etc.
@no1marauder saidAll of that is true.
I already answered that to the best of my ability:
no1: "And I can't read the minds of imbecile right wingers like yourself, so why you guys think such nonsense and get upset because you are told to is beyond my expertise. Obviously the uneducated like yourself are resentful of the sons and daughters of working and middle class people who were able to better themselves ...[text shortened]... e correct as I have shown you repeatedly (though you whine and cry if I provide links proving this).
But can you tell us why some pretty smart people, including the devotion of thousands of hours of network news and newspaper columns, was so upset that Biden wanted to forgive $479B in student debt?
Info from WSJ article:
The critical point came when the judge asked if the deal meant Hunter could still be prosecuted on other charges, such as violations of the Foreign Agents Registration Act. Prosecutor Leo Wise said he could. Defense attorney Chris Clark said that wasn’t his understanding. If the plea didn’t give his client such immunity, then there’s no deal, said Mr. Clark.
@AverageJoe1
Not gonna tell us why. Just talk about the ins and outs of the forgiveness of the debt. Let us stipulate you are correct. So why is everyone who is upset upset about it?
This is sort of my view of the earlier subjects....
"There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism—by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide."
-Ayn Rand
@averagejoe1 saidWhy did you keep asking me to read your and, people who think like you, "mind"?
@AverageJoe1
Not gonna tell us why. Just talk about the ins and outs of the forgiveness of the debt. Let us stipulate you are correct. So why is everyone who is upset upset about it?
This is sort of my view of the earlier subjects....
"There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism ...[text shortened]... n by force, socialism—by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide."
-Ayn Rand
Ayn Rand was an elitist swine who believed in a small group of "supermen" dominating the rest of us "moochers". She's a laughingstock except among the feeble minded like Wajoma. She also wrote some of the most tedious and boring fiction ever put on paper (after receiving an education only because of the Soviet Communist government - for free of course).
29 Jul 23
@averagejoe1 saidThey, like you, are upset because help comes to those who need it.
@AverageJoe1
Not gonna tell us why. Just talk about the ins and outs of the forgiveness of the debt. Let us stipulate you are correct. So why is everyone who is upset upset about it?
This is sort of my view of the earlier subjects....
"There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism ...[text shortened]... n by force, socialism—by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide."
-Ayn Rand
You idiots like to say you believe in working hard and never taking a dime from government (which is laughable, by the way), and yet all I hear when you complain about people getting the help they need is, "WHERE'S MINE?!?"
@no1marauder saidShe also wrote that some people should leave other people alone, Marauder. Libs in her novels seem to have been somewhat controlling, N 'est - ce pas? I hear the latest is that y'all are coming for our water heaters.
Why did you keep asking me to read your and, people who think like you, "mind"?
Ayn Rand was an elitist swine who believed in a small group of "supermen" dominating the rest of us "moochers". She's a laughingstock except among the feeble minded like Wajoma. She also wrote some of the most tedious and boring fiction ever put on paper (after receiving an education only because of the Soviet Communist government - for free of course).
so you arent going to answer my question? Marauder? Can you at least say why you will not answer my question?
29 Jul 23
@suzianne saidNo, as to people getting 'they help they need',....."Where's THEIRS?"
They, like you, are upset because help comes to those who need it.
You idiots like to say you believe in working hard and never taking a dime from government (which is laughable, by the way), and yet all I hear when you complain about people getting the help they need is, "WHERE'S MINE?!?"
@averagejoe1 saidI'm fairly certain you've never read her novels (I had the misfortune of having a HS English teacher who assigned me 3 of them).
She also wrote that some people should leave other people alone, Marauder. Libs in her novels seem to have been somewhat controlling, N 'est - ce pas? I hear the latest is that y'all are coming for our water heaters.
so you arent going to answer my question? Marauder? Can you at least say why you will not answer my question?
I answered your question to the best of my ability several times already but it's a particularly ridiculous one i.e. insisting that other people read the minds of people who hold an opposite view. I lack that superpower; you'd know better why right wingers made a "big deal" of it since you seem to spend hours of your day watching right wing propaganda outlets. I suggested one reasonable possibility i.e. resentment by the uneducated for the educated of the same social class; do you deny that is a factor (your posts regarding this issue drip bile directed towards those who received financial aid to go to college)?
Your question is analogous to you asking me "Why do I, Average Joe, like broccoli?"
30 Jul 23
@no1marauder saidI'd call it sarcasm but no need to argue over everything, satire it is. But you're right the origins of the word shampoo is more relevant than the origins of the terms 'left wing' and 'right wing' in the way they've departed from their original meaning, either way it's trivia.
I'd say interesting, but it really isn't.
I suppose you are trying to make some sort of satirical point, but my link and definition were actually relevant to something in this thread and elsewhere here i.e. your repeated claim not to be "right wing". However, your intense dislike for democracy is one of the many positions you take clearly identifying you with that bran ...[text shortened]... ession of indigenous peoples, your defense of segregation and private discrimination, etc. etc. etc.
In modern times the difference can be stated thus:
Left Wing: liberal on personal issues, drugs, abortion, transmans marriage, transwomans marriage but when it comes to economic issues, hang on to your wallet. Heavy on the green religion.
Right Wing: Pretty much the opposite, they like to interfere in peoples personal lives but a fraction more free market, greenie religion lite.
You state a dislike of democracy as being a 'right wing' characteristic, of course it's not, some of the most left wing goobermints are not interested in holding free democratic elections. Generally those who lose, whether left or right, claim that there's been cheating and that they are now the defenders of democracy. It is many on the right now claiming democracy has been corrupted and that they the defenders of democracy have been wronged. 180 degrees opposite to your accusation.
The main parties in the US, Aus, NZ the UK are all really quite close, sometimes the opposition makes some noise but it's all just show, and when they get in power, what they were making noise about gets forgotten. The idea that you get to vote on a specific issue is a charade.
I don't have a problem with democracy with a couple of related provisos. 1/ All participants are voluntary 2/ the terms and limits of what can be voted on are defined.
True I am very free market, but we're getting into the: 'all cats are mammals, all dogs are mammals, therefore all cats are dogs' style of argument. Much of what I stand for is antithetical to the right wing especially in regard to personal freedoms. And no modern 'right wing' parties come anywhere near being true free market so my home is not there either.
I am totally opposed to oppression in all forms, everyone, regardless of race has a right to live their life free from force, threats of force and fraud. The 'conquests' you speak of and we have discussed before, if anything are vindication of my views on property rights and what happens when there are none, you make my case for me.
I recognise that private discrimination goes on, I do not defend it, it goes on despite laws and regulations, people of x race tend to marry people of x race, that's discrimination. There are businesses that despite having a goobermint mandated piece of paper on the wall saying they don't discriminate do actually only hire people of x race, that's their business. If any business or employer said 'Don't come here you're not welcome' it wouldn't matter to me their reason, my ears are too large? I'm too old? my skin is the wrong color? it's all the same, all that counts is '...you're not welcome here'
In anticipation, the "'etc. etc. etc."
30 Jul 23
@wajoma saidMore interested in watching the Spence-Crawford undercard now, but yes we've discussed your preposterous assertion that the internal arrangements of indigenous peoples would have mattered one whit to Euro invaders who wished to seize their land, and natural resources and exploit them for cheap labor.
I'd call it sarcasm but no need to argue over everything, satire it is. But you're right the origins of the word shampoo is more relevant than the origins of the terms 'left wing' and 'right wing' in the way they've departed from their original meaning, either way it's trivia.
In modern times the difference can be stated thus:
Left Wing: liberal on personal issues, ...[text shortened]... me, all that counts is '...you're not welcome here'
In anticipation, the "'etc. etc. etc."
That you cling to such ridiculous ideas and even think you've somehow "won" a debate on an internet forum by repeating such rubbish ls sad and pathetic.