21 Jan 21
@averagejoe1 saidYou think so? Not so fast...
SUzianne, over 70M people wanted,, and want, him for president. They are in his corner.
https://news.yahoo.com/proud-boys-call-trump-weak-134639664.html
21 Jan 21
@averagejoe1 saidHe promised no such thing. He called for healing and unity. Rather a different thing. You know.
Not the issue. The question here is not about the merits. Biden promised healing, unity, the works.
21 Jan 21
I'm from the UK too
I didn't hear it all but what I did hear seemed to be the right sort of stuff, though I have Dem friends who are ecstatic and Rep friends who are in depression - I'm sure that they will get over it.
Ordinarily I wouldn't have thought that the USA wouldn't have any problems and would work it out for themsleves, but in a press release yesterday Boris Johnson promised to work closely with the USA in their relationsship with China, so if you let him get involverd guys you're going to be in deep doo-doo so be warned; he can't sort out a glorified cold virus in Blighty let alone come up with a strategy for taming the Chinese :-)
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22 Jan 21
@shavixmir saidLet them demonstrate.
Christ, I wouldn’t use that term in the US!
That’s just begging for demonstrations.
It's the American way!
Or, let them plot conspiracies...
and find they're opposed with zeal.
But, if they'll commit to violence...
they'll surely be washed away.
For in the end the truth does ask:
"Who breaks a butterfly, upon a wheel?"
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@shavixmir saidWho cares how those "white" supremacist's feel...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55742586
The BBC interviewed 4 republicans.
It doesn’t look like they felt approached in the speech.
In case you didn't notice:
The only one who is white did not vote for Trump!
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22 Jan 21
@joe-shmo saidJoe-shmo replied to Shavixmir.
Who cares how those "white" supremacist's feel...
In case you didn't notice:
[hidden] The only one who is white did not vote for Trump! [/hidden]
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Most white men and most white women voted for Trump in 2016 AND 2020.
The overwhelming majority of non-white people voted against Trump in 2016 and 2020.
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@duchess64 said
Joe-shmo replied to Shavixmir.
Most white men and most white women voted for Trump in 2016 AND 2020.
The overwhelming majority of non-white people voted against Trump in 2016 and 2020.
The overwhelming majority of non-white people voted against Trump in 2016 and 2020.
Firstly: What are those numbers estimated to be in 2016 and 2020?
Secondly: What is your point?
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22 Jan 21
@duchess64 saidI haven't seen the figures for 2020, but for 2016 at least that's simply not true.
Most white men and most white women voted for Trump in 2016 AND 2020.
The overwhelming majority of non-white people voted against Trump in 2016 and 2020.
In 2016, of those white men and women who did vote, slightly over 50% voted for Trump and slightly under 50% for Clinton (IIRC it was something like 54-46), but a good number didn't vote for either. Thus, most white men and women did not vote for Trump. Most of them didn't vote against him either, and must share in the guilt for that, but you are always a stickler for the literal numbers, so I cannot let you twist them yourself.
Also in 2016, of most non-white ethnicities including the saintly East Asians, an overwhelming very nearly no difference at all, again only of those who turned up, voted for Clinton, an equally underwhelming minority voted for Trump, and quite a lot did not bother to vote against either and must therefore be counted amongst the not-against-Trump (even if also not-for). Here, too, the numbers were a decidedly lukewarm 45ish-55ish, albeit the other way around.
The only exception were African Americans. They did vote strongly, as far as that goes, for Clinton, and not as much for Trump. But even for them, the figures were not so much 90%-10% but more like 65%-35% - and in this group, even more voters than in the other groups didn't bother to turn up. (Although, I'll grant you, historically they would have had good excuses not to - not this time!)
All of this I read in your favourite rag-to-quote-wholesale-from, the Grauniad, so you cannot even deny it without being hypocritical.
@shallow-blue saidSome white writers here (such as Very Rusty) have been making false or misleading
I haven't seen the figures for 2020, but for 2016 at least that's simply not true.
In 2016, of those white men and women who did vote, slightly over 50% voted for Trump and slightly under 50% for Clinton (IIRC it was something like 54-46), but a good number didn't vote for either. Thus, most white men and women did not vote for Trump. Most of them didn't ...[text shortened]... te rag-to-quote-wholesale-from, the Grauniad, so you cannot even deny it without being hypocritical.
claims about the proportions of white men and white women who voted for Trump.
Here are the facts:
(Literate people should try to read this carefully.)
First of all, no knowledgeable person seriously disputes that most white men voted for Trump.
So this argument is really about how white women voted.
https://time.com/5422644/trump-white-women-2016/
"A majority of white women voted for Donald Trump: It’s the statistic that launched
a thousand narratives. “You know, I got 52% with women,” President Donald Trump
said at a press conference in late September (2018), falsely conflating the figure
for white women with the figure for women overall, whom he did not win."
Very Rusty obstinately made the same error.
"Trump is hardly the only one invoking the stat. The idea that a majority of white woman voted
for Trump has become a meme ever since the 2016 election, featured in countless arguments."
"The idea that 52% of white women voted for Trump—compared to 43% who
supported Hillary Clinton—comes from the 2016 exit polls"
This 2018 'Time' article questions the accuracy of exit polls.
"According to a later analysis that experts consider more reliable, a study published
in August (2018) by the Pew Research Center, the percentage of white women
who voted for Trump was actually 47%, compared to 45% for Clinton.
That’s still a plurality, and still makes white women more Trump-positive than
the overall electorate, which supported Clinton by a 48%-46% margin.
White women, who will again be a critical demographic group in the 2018 midterms, were
considerably more pro-Trump than nonwhite women, who went for Clinton by a huge margin, 82%-16%."
Here's the Pew Research report:
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/
So, to be more accurate, more white women voted for Trump than for Clinton in 2016.
White women were much more likely than non-white women to vote for Trump.
Having a plurality rather than a majority of white women voting for Trump hardly
goes far in absolving white women of their responsibility for putting Trump in power.
By the way, no one claimed that East Asian Americans are necessarily 'saintly'.
(Elaine Chao's married to Mitch McConnell and worked for President Trump.)
But about every white writer here (including the most 'liberal' ) apparently seems
happy with East Asian Americans having zero political representation and being
excluded from the vaunted US 'national conversation on race'.
Anti-Asian racism is endemic and popular here and challenged by only me.
A few writers (e.g. Ash) may be privately critical of it, but they seem disinclined
to risk angering other white people by criticizing anti-Asian racism much.