Originally posted by leestaticI think you should ask: Why did they think he was a threat?
don't get me wrong the guy should still be alive, but i don't think for one minute that the police decided to go target practice, they obviously felt he was a threat
And then, once you've untangled the web of lies, deceit, fear and media frenzy, you'll know why that Brazilian was shot down.
7 shots in the face? Isn't such overkill along the lines of a crime of passion?
You can have overkill because of panic as well. It's for a jury to decide.
Assuming it gets to a jury. It will be interesting to see what the recommendations are from the current investigation - whether it will be sent to the Director of Public Prosecutions for consideration of charges or not.
What will be even MORE interesting will be the general public's reaction to either charges being laid or no charges being laid. More than one commentator has noted how, since 9/11, people don't react with outrage to all sorts of things that the government used to not get away with. People may well be prepared to accept that it was 'a tragic mistake'.
I'm actually really surprised this has happened in the UK of all places, because it's a nation that generally has a reputation of doing things by the book. I've seen stories from Iraq about the British being frustrated in the early stages by the gung-ho, undisciplined nature of some American troops. It was the British who fell victim to 'friendly fire' from the Americans. Yet this time it's British personnel who have (it seems to me) failed to exercise sufficient care in what they were doing.
I hope that, at the very least, there's a family in Brazil who is going to get one of the largest compensation payments on record.
Everyone seems to be ignoring what I think is an important point. Why?
Why would the police shoot this man if they didn't have good reason to believe he was a threat? For kicks?
If that is the case, then I am very concerned about the selection procedures for armed police in the UK.
Do you really believe that they are sitting at home thinking "YEAH! We nailed that sucker. Man, it feels so good to be a killa!"?
Originally posted by jimmyb270Exactly what I wrote:
Everyone seems to be ignoring what I think is an important point. Why?
Why would the police shoot this man if they didn't have good reason to believe he was a threat? For kicks?
If that is the case, then I am very concerned about the selection procedures for armed police in the UK.
Do you really believe that they are sitting at home thinking "YEAH! We nailed that sucker. Man, it feels so good to be a killa!"?
I think you should ask: Why did they think he was a threat?
And then, once you've untangled the web of lies, deceit, fear and media frenzy, you'll know why that Brazilian was shot down.
If everyone's whipped up into a frenzy of fear, then things like this will happen.
Remember the vigilanties going out looking for pedofiles and beating up a children's doctor, because the name board at his said: "Pediatrician"?
If people were thinking normally, they wouldn't do stupid things like that.
The Sun, the Daily Mirror and the rest of the crack-pot rubbish the British buy is greatly responsible for the media-type frenzies in British society. The BBC doesn't seem to be much better at the moment either.
Originally posted by jimmyb270The men in question were unlikely to have made that decision--they would have been following orders. Whoever gave the authorisation to kill the harmless Brazilian made a serious error of identification (believing that he was somebody else who they'd been watching). Happens all the time...The Brazilian police, as it happens, have a far from impeccable record in these matters.
Why would the police shoot this man if they didn't have good reason to believe he was a threat?
I don't know why people are so surprised when the police cock things up.
Originally posted by no1marauderIf you accept every sentence without having an opinion, I don't.
Since you've already decided that the case couldn't possibly be manslaughter or negligent homicide and the only possible conclusion is that it is a murder, what do you need a trial for??? I told you in my first post, jackass, what factual conclusions the jury could reach would would support a verdict for A) Murder; B) Manslaughter; C) Negligent ...[text shortened]... can't understand that, please stop spouting off as you are only showing your extreme ignorance.
And you keep changing the subject and now avoiding to comment on the possibility of manslaughter through negligence which was the reason you claimed I was "confused".
If they concluded it was first-degree murder with premeditation I would also contest it as a wrong decision. You eat it and don't look at the plate, it's your choice and your civil liberties that you choose not to control.
Who cares about the IF? you were denying ALL IF'S when I was saying they didn't apply. Really, you are now agreeing with me while contradicting your previous posts so you can call me ignorant. It's simply hilarious.
Originally posted by orfeoExactly my thoughts and to my surprise most of the previous posters decided to look at my last sentence and forget the whole point of the post which was regarding the political shoving under the carpet of responsibilities.
You can have overkill because of panic as well. It's for a jury to decide.
Assuming it gets to a jury. It will be interesting to see what the recommendations are from the current investigation - whether it will be sent to the Director of Public Prosecutions for consideration of charges or not.
What will be even MORE interesting will be the general pub ...[text shortened]... re's a family in Brazil who is going to get one of the largest compensation payments on record.
Originally posted by shavixmirthe police carry a Heckler & Koch MP5 sub machine gun 120 rounds per minute, one slight pull of the trigger's all it takes.
I think you should ask: Why did they think he was a threat?
And then, once you've untangled the web of lies, deceit, fear and media frenzy, you'll know why that Brazilian was shot down.
7 shots in the face? Isn't such overkill along the lines of a crime of passion?