20 Sep 06
Originally posted by RedmikeWho are we, apart from the SNP and the SSP?
[b] We are currently seeking independence.
It does not appear that anything like a majority favour independence since most realise how well they fare under English bounty. But I wish you success in your endeavour to persuade them otherwise.
20 Sep 06
"According to a Sunday Times YouGov survey, 44% of respondents said they backed a separate Scotland compared with 42% who did not. "
10-Sep-2006
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/5331992.stm
"Support for Scottish independence amongst voters from north of the border has doubled since 2000, according to a new poll."
based on the same poll
http://www.epolitix.com/EN/News/200609/823da07e-64bf-4829-8cf4-968e5ca885de.htm
That's a bit like a majority, isn't it?
20 Sep 06
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Originally posted by aging blitzerYes, there's often a majority in polls.
"According to a Sunday Times YouGov survey, 44% of respondents said they backed a separate Scotland compared with 42% who did not. "
10-Sep-2006
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/5331992.stm
"Support for Scottish independence amongst voters from north of the border has doubled since 2000, according to a new poll."
based on the same ...[text shortened]... 09/823da07e-64bf-4829-8cf4-968e5ca885de.htm
That's a bit like a majority, isn't it?
But in order for it to get anywhere, we need a majority of members of the Scottish Parliament who support it (or who at least support having a referendum on it).
Once we have such a majority, which will consist of the SNP, SSP, Greens, Sheridan if he's re-elected and a bunch of other independents, we'll then have a referendum. If this goes in favour, we'll seek negotiations with Westminster and we're away.
Edit - if you break down the opinion polls by age, there is massive support for independence amongst younger people.
20 Sep 06
Originally posted by RedmikeMSPs will represent their electorate's wishes, surely.
But in order for it to get anywhere, we need a majority of members of the Scottish Parliament who support it (or who at least support having a referendum on it).
Oh, no, sorry. I forgot what sort of democracy we have.
20 Sep 06
Originally posted by scottishinnzAnd that's all there is to it.
They are a net earner for the UK economy.
The royal family generates billions in profits for the UK. Industrialists and weapons-buyers sign deals with UK companies just for the thrill of meeting royalty at special functions. The Queen is also an influential diplomat. We plebs see hardly anything of how she really earns her money. The tourism boost is just a bonus.
(P.S. France is great but I challenge the claim that it gets more tourists than the UK)
20 Sep 06
Originally posted by PhilodorI have seen this recently on a number of different websites and would welcome some clarification.
It does not appear that anything like a majority [of Scots] favour independence since most realise how well they fare under English bounty.
Is it really the case that Scotland is 'subsidised' by England?
I had been under the impression that the UK was bankrolled by North Sea oil throughout the 1980s and that were Scotland independent from the UK then this oil would be Scottish. This would seem to imply that England has done well out of 'Scottish bounty'.
Am I mistaken?
20 Sep 06
Originally posted by Diapasoni think you would find that if we had split up in the 1980s then the "english" navy probably would have taken control of the north sea oil. 🙂
I have seen this recently on a number of different websites and would welcome some clarification.
Is it really the case that Scotland is 'subsidised' by England?
I had been under the impression that the UK was bankrolled by North Sea oil throughout the 1980s and that were Scotland independent from the UK then this oil would be Scottish. This would seem to imply that England has done well out of 'Scottish bounty'.
Am I mistaken?
anyway the north sea oil is running out. the only thing thats keeping the english economy going is london and the wealth it creates, thats now the real economic powerhouse of the UK at the moment.
21 Sep 06
Originally posted by DiapasonThere was a report some years ago which suggests this. Nargaguna posted a link to it, but he's left. Perhaps someone else will post it....
I have seen this recently on a number of different websites and would welcome some clarification.
Is it really the case that Scotland is 'subsidised' by England?
I had been under the impression that the UK was bankrolled by North Sea oil throughout the 1980s and that were Scotland independent from the UK then this oil would be Scottish. This would seem to imply that England has done well out of 'Scottish bounty'.
Am I mistaken?
But the report has been discredited. It left out things like North Sea oil and tax on whisky from Scotland's income. It included things like the Millenium dome in London in a big list of things Scotland had to pay our pro-rata share of. A basic example of how to lie with statistics.
I'm not sure that we'll be economically that different after independence anyway, and this isn't my primary concern. I support independence because it is more democratic, and will undermine the british state.
Yes, Scotland bankrolled England fo much of the 80's - some recently released documents showed cabinet level discussions about fixing the economic stats to pretend otherwise.