Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboardlike i said, i'm not for abortion. i'd never get one myself (and hopefully never get pregnant to begin with). but i really think it's her decision (and only hers) in the end. yes, she can give it up for adoption if she wants, but if she chooses not to, it's her business. if you make it illegal, that's not going to stop some women; they'll just take birth control pills and kill it themselves. so you'll have an increase in crime, the mother could be putting her health at risk by taking pills while pregnant, and abortions will still be happening. yeah, you can give the kid up for adoption. but there are too many orphans in the world already; we wouldn't be giving them much of a life. i'm not changin my mind, and you're not changing yours so i'm done with the subject. 😛
-a drugged man can't think or feel pain does that make him any less human and does it justify killing him???
- if you would have read my last posts you would have seen that i think abortion shoud not be allowed with some exceptions to this. by that i mean if the mothers life is in danger. or if she was raped.
- i agree that its not anyone's ...[text shortened]... are more then enough people willing to care and raise the child with all the love it deserves.
Originally posted by Remora91Remora: " ... yeah, you can give the kid up for adoption. but there are too many orphans in the world already; ... "
like i said, i'm not for abortion. i'd never get one myself (and hopefully never get pregnant to begin with). but i really think it's her decision (and only hers) in the end. yes, she can give it up for adoption if she wants, but if she chooses not to, it's her business. if you make it illegal, that's not going to stop some women; they'll just take bi ...[text shortened]... life. i'm not changin my mind, and you're not changing yours so i'm done with the subject. 😛
:'( What a sad sad thing to read .... do you realise what you're saying here ?
Originally posted by ivanhoelol, better one living orphan then a 1000 dead ones 🙄
Remora: " ... yeah, you can give the kid up for adoption. but there are too many orphans in the world already; ... "
:'( What a sad sad thing to read .... do you realise what you're saying here ?
Originally posted by ivanhoeThere were more than 44 million orphans reported in 2000 (in 34 countries). Since the 1950s, around 200,000 children have been adopted worldwide with 150,000 of those children being adopted in the U.S. There were 857,475 legal abortions in 2000. If all those women who had abortions gave their children up for adoption, we'd have a big problem. That's the point I was trying to make.
Remora: " ... yeah, you can give the kid up for adoption. but there are too many orphans in the world already; ... "
:'( What a sad sad thing to read .... do you realise what you're saying here ?
Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboardBecause a creature without a mind has no point of view, and hence things cannot go better or worse for that creature from its point of view. In short, creatures without minds have no interests, cannot suffer, cannot desire things to be otherwise, etc.
so its the word great that you have a problem with now...fine, lets call it A chance ( how to you think animal give birth to their children?? whithout interference)
Tell me why being alive, human, and having the potential to be concious does not give you the right to be alive???
Well now good people, I'll tell you what I think. Personally, I am absolutely against abortion. Morally, I have a severe difference of opinion with bbarr ,greatly due to certain theistic principle and beliefs 😉 . If I had it my way, yes, abortion would not happen.
Now, having said that, I will also tell you that if it ever came up for a vote I would have to abstain. While my personal view stands, I as a citizen also respect my fellow man (or in this case woman) freedoms (specifically in this case, a matter of choice). As much as I vehemently hate (and yes, I do mean hate) abortion, I do not feel it is my place to deny any individual the right to do with their body what they wish, even something I hate as much as this.
Now then, if you paid attention to the first paragraph you might have noticed that I said if I had it my way, abortions would not happern. I didn't say they would be illegal, I said they would not happern. The reason for my wording here is very simple, it is going to happen and there's not a damn thing I can do about it. To what end would we cause "back alley" abortions? It is simply more loss of life, and I further acknowledge unusual circumstances such as rape, incest, etc. that might warrant special consideration, even (if not especially)from a moralistic point of view. I acknowledge all of this despite my vehement hatered of the subject. I do so for one reason only: I take the matter so seriously that I insist upon putting my personal feelings aside to further the good of all the people involved.
Now, what I would do (and currently push for) is to reform the abortion practices. I believe we can come to terms that both respect the right of the woman to choose and the life that is being created. Simple contraception is the easy way to this end, but if abortion is to be a thing to stay it is our moral and/or civil obligation to determine which practices represent our cultures values. I was very pleased to see partial birth abortions come to an end in my country, and I hope more reform is to come in the future.
Many historians have said that a civilization may be judged by the way they treat their dead. I believe the same holds true for the way we treat the unborn.
Best Regards,
Omnislash
well, i reckon for ME wars are the most important issue, seeing as truck loads of innocent people die in them. My mother is saying that anyone HAS to be better than Bush, becasue of his stupidity... BUT.... Kerry is post Nam!! his tshirts are saying "Kerrys Army Of Steel" !!!
neither would be good. They would both suck. it loks like bush is going to win again, and THIS time round, he cant be elected in again, so hes got nuthin to lose.
listen, if there were no abortions, the amount of babies form drunken one-night stands would be enourmous. And rapes. Then, wed have all these genes of rapists and drunks all over the place. I know im putting it simlpy, but abortions help women so much who cant have children, as they are too young, or they just wouldnt manage.
Originally posted by OmnislashThe best way to make sure abortion "would not happen" is to improve the quality of sex education and the availibility of contraceptives. Fewer unwanted pregnancies equals fewer abortions.
Well now good people, I'll tell you what I think. Personally, I am absolutely against abortion. Morally, I have a severe difference of opinion with bbarr ,greatly due to certain theistic principle and beliefs 😉 . If I had it my way, yes, abortion would not happen.
Now, having said that, I will also tell you that if it ever came up for a vote I would ...[text shortened]... holds true for the way we treat the unborn.
Best Regards,
Omnislash
I’m sorry that I haven’t been able to respond to your posts, I’ve been away from the computer a lot with barely enough time to make my moves.
Yes I know that Bush can’t make up laws sign it and that’s it, but you would think that he thought that abortion was really that evil, he would do his best to get rid of it.
Yes, I am worried about all the other stuff in the world.
It is not the mother’s body, it is God’s. He made it and it will be His decision as to where both the soul and body go. Saying “it’s my body, I can do what I want with it” is what gets “little girls” pregnant in the first place. If the mother’s life is in danger, it is not her choice as to whether she and/or the baby dies, it is God’s. If He wants either one to live it will be so. A woman would risk her life for her little child or husband or whatever. Does that mean she shouldn’t risk her life for her baby that isn’t born, saying that it’s not a baby yet? Once it is conceived it is a baby, it is living.
Saying that a woman’s fertilized eggs being flushed out her system is murder is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. Tell me how something that God made naturally happen could be murder.
At the end of your life, does it matter if you were rich, poor, or an orphan? No, everybody was put on earth to give glory to God and at the end of our lives, live with Him forever in Heaven.
-reagan