11 Jul 21
@vivify saidLib.......you don’t say what the other side was doing. You thus do not close your comment. Shame shame
Not in Charlottesville, where the statue was removed.
You remember Charlottesville, right? Where white supremacists marched openly in the streets chanting anti-Semitic rhetoric? Take a wild guess why someone who fought to keep slavery is a "hero" there.
11 Jul 21
@eladar saidDuh. Let me think.....
Are you saying that everyone who would like to see the RE Lee statue stay is a white supremacist?
11 Jul 21
@rajk999 saidGeorge Floyd was a serious child abuser and a criminal. Sick idea. And stupid that he would argue with a cop. Who argues with a cop? The blacks will NOT become better if they are gazing at a Floyd statue.
Of course, and as soon as all the statues of whites are taken down and the starues of the George Floyd types go up then blacks will start prospering, become more educated, have good family life with less broken homes, better jobs, etc etc .. problems will be solved.
11 Jul 21
@mott-the-hoople said
comprehension my friend.
The question is…then vs now
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/02/18/covid-us-life-expectancy-record-low-blacks-latinos-most-affected/6778474002/
Life expectancy for Black populations declined the most from 2019 – by 2.7 years, to 72 years – its lowest level since 2001
11 Jul 21
@shavixmir saidHe lives on through you.
The statue has been removed.
Obviously I oppose the censorship or removal of art. But if it can irritate the extreme-right, I’ll make an exception.
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11 Jul 21
@vivify saiddamned kkk, burning cities down and rioting…oh wait
No. I'm saying Trump's rhetoric is popular with the KKK, since they've supported Trump multiple times.
11 Jul 21
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@mott-the-hoople saidHow many times do you need to be told...
damned kkk, burning cities down and rioting…oh wait
White racists bad
Black racists good
Look at the color of the person's skin to know if the person is good or bad.
11 Jul 21
It would be rightious, now, to place a statue celebrating LGTB+ rights.
But in 50 years time we might have a right-wing theocracy. Would they be justified in removing that statue? Attempting to nulify what we now find precious and good?
It does not sit well with me. This whole moral finger-wagging and censorship of what we once were.
11 Jul 21
@shavixmir saidYes, there is always the danger that some things we accept today will be vilified in 50 years. That is no reason not to continue to confront our own moral failings, both past and present.
It would be rightious, now, to place a statue celebrating LGTB+ rights.
But in 50 years time we might have a right-wing theocracy. Would they be justified in removing that statue? Attempting to nulify what we now find precious and good?
It does not sit well with me. This whole moral finger-wagging and censorship of what we once were.
It is not an easy or simple matter for a nation to reckon with the injustices of the past without committing more injustices against those who, now living, were no part of it.
As one poster remarked, Robt. E Lee's own personal views on the matter of slavery are irrelevant now; Lee has become a symbol for a war which should not have to have been fought.
Some nations deal with their ugly pasts better than others. In Germany today, for example, you will sooner find statues of its former Roman occupiers (e.g., Marcus Aurelius) than statues of any German generals (either from WWI or from WWII).
I am not in favor of forgetting or censoring the past, but I am also not in favor of glorifying errors that were made (even if made in good faith at the time, which slavery was not). I say, put the ugly past in a museum and show exactly what was so ugly about it. Holocaust museums work well, where people can go in and look for themselves if they want to learn about the holocaust, but we don't need to walk past statues of Heinrich Himmler or Adolf Eichmann in the market squares.
Perhaps someone familiar with the situation in SA could weigh in here, whether statues of people who supported or facilitated apartheid are thought to be appropriate.