11 Sep 08
Originally posted by kirksey957conservative economic policies of the last 40 years have done more to the divorce rate than any amount of gay marriage ever could. Too many families have both partners working multiple jobs just to make ends meet. Children are left at home alone, and spend their quality time with the electronic baby sitter, and mom and dad are too tired when they get home to do any real responsible parenting, never mind spend time with their spouse. If we want family values in America, its time we started valuing families...all families
DSR won't respond to me. I just can't figure out how a handful of gay people who have gotten married in the past year as brought down the institution of marriage for the past 50 years. I hope someone can explain that to me.
11 Sep 08
Originally posted by duecerThe truth is that people are forced to work longer and harder to make up for all the taxes being siphoned off to pay for Democrat give-away programs that have made fathers obsolete and replaced them with surrogates, i.e., government welfare programs and social workers. Indeed, the Great Society programs started under LBJ, a Democrat, have done more to harm the economy and families than anything you falsely attribute to "conservative economic policies." For instance:
conservative economic policies of the last 40 years have done more to the divorce rate than any amount of gay marriage ever could. Too many families have both partners working multiple jobs just to make ends meet. Children are left at home alone, and spend their quality time with the electronic baby sitter, and mom and dad are too tired when they get home to ...[text shortened]... spouse. If we want family values in America, its time we started valuing families...all families
In his new book, "Stealing From Each Other: How the Welfare State Robs Americans of Money and Spirit," Edgar K. Browning, a professor of economics at Texas A&M University offers data that might help us evaluate what the welfare state costs us:
* The disincentive effects of Social Security have reduced gross domestic product (GDP) by 10 percent, the federal income tax (as opposed to a proportional tax) by 9 percent and past deficits by 3.5 percent for a total of 22.5 percent.
* Browning guesses that welfare programs have reduced GDP by 2.5 percent.
* The overall effect of redistributionist policies has created incentives that have reduced GDP by a total of 25 percent.
* Without those, our GDP would be close to $18 trillion instead of $14 trillion.
Also, for most couples on welfare, getting married is among the more expensive decisions they will face as newlyweds, because saying "I do" will reduce the benefits they receive, on average, by 10 to 20 percent of their total income, says Sen. Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and David Blankenhorn, president of the Institute for American Values. Why does this situation exist? Because Democrats want their charges to be permanently dependent upon them so that they will always vote Democrat and continue received their benefits.
Lastly:
Today's young workers and children are about to be engulfed by a massive income transfer from young to old that will perversely make it harder for them to afford their own children, says columnist Robert Samuelson.
Yet no major candidate of either party proposes to do much about this, even though the facts are well known:
* Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid -- three programs that go overwhelmingly to older Americans -- already represent more than 40 percent of federal spending.
* A new report from the Congressional Budget Office projects that these programs could easily grow to about 70 percent of the budget by 2030.
* Without implausibly large deficits, the only way to preserve most other government programs would be huge tax increases (about 40 percent from today's levels).
* Avoiding the tax increases would require draconian cuts in other programs (about 60 percent).
* Workers and young families, not retirees, would bear the brunt of either higher taxes or degraded public services.
Like most liberals, you don't think about the consequences of your actions...or public policies. You want to be compassionate but you just don't realize that giving people welfare destroys their self esteem and keeps them in a permanent state of dependency, while taking away opportunities from the productive members of society and their children. I truly wish you could one day live in the communist utopia you keep mewling about, then perhaps you'd come away the wiser, or maybe you would start to appreciate what we have here in the United States.
11 Sep 08
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The post that was quoted here has been removedRecent studies show homosexuals have a substantially greater risk of suffering from a psychiatric problems than do heterosexuals. We see higher rates of suicide, depression, bulimia, antisocial personality disorder, and substance abuse, according to N.E. Whitehead, Ph.D., author of, "My Genese Made Me Do It."
http://www.narth.com/docs/whitehead.html
Take that, heathen!
11 Sep 08
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Originally posted by der schwarze RitterSince you admire Sarah Palin so much, I certainly hope she immediately starts addressing your concerns and vigorously campaigns on a promise to abolish Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. Those freeloading old people have been on our backs long enough; cut off their income and medical care and there would soon be a "Final Solution" to our budget difficulties.
The truth is that people are forced to work longer and harder to make up for all the taxes being siphoned off to pay for Democrat give-away programs that have made fathers obsolete and replaced them with surrogates, i.e., government welfare programs and social workers. Indeed, the Great Society programs started under LBJ, a Democrat, have done mo wiser, or maybe you would start to appreciate what we have here in the United States.
Sarah could couple those proposals to her ideas that women who are raped should go to prison if they have an abortion and with her compassionate stand that stem cell research that might cure birth defects and degenerative diseases shouldn't be allowed because it slaughters embryos.
There's a program for "change" that I'm sure all America could get behind!
11 Sep 08
Originally posted by no1marauder"Final Solution?" Darn, you've played the Nazi card again! Anything I say in this forum from now on has been negated, so I'm out of here. So long.
Since you admire Sarah Palin so much, I certainly hope she immediately starts addressing your concerns and vigorously campaigns on a promise to abolish Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. Those freeloading old people have been on our backs long enough; cut off their income and medical care and there would soon be a "Final Solution" to our budget diff ...[text shortened]...
There's a program for "change" that I'm sure all America could get behind!
11 Sep 08
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Originally posted by der schwarze Ritteryou couldn't be further from the mark. During America's golden era (1950-1970) the US tax burden was significantly higher on the top 1% of earners. During this period, Americans enjoyed the highest standard of living ever. Since 1970, the tax burden has been shifting to the middle class. Corporate welfare is bankrupting our economy, not entitlement programs (which make up about 1% of the budget vs 51% to the military industrial complex). The erosion of labor laws protecting workers rights, the out sourcing of our jobs oversees, and the loss of real honest to goodness free markets (walmart et al) has cost this nation dearly. You continue to spew out lies and half truths, either you are in the top 1%, or you are a fool.
The truth is that people are forced to work longer and harder to make up for all the taxes being siphoned off to pay for Democrat give-away programs that have made fathers obsolete and replaced them with surrogates, i.e., government welfare programs and social workers. Indeed, the Great Society programs started under LBJ, a Democrat, have done mo wiser, or maybe you would start to appreciate what we have here in the United States.
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just a follow up for perspective;
the median household income is $50,233
only 19.26% of households have income over $100,000
the bottom 20% earn less than $19,178
the top 6.37% earn 1/3 of all income
1.5% earn over $250,000
eaguitable tax discussions are not about robbing the middle class and giving to the indigent, its about fairly taxing those getting the most from society, and ensuring that the middle class are not unfairly burdened by the greed of the top 1.5%
11 Sep 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterSo, you believe divorce should be illegal, right, since marriage is the
I'm not afraid of homosexuality, I am actively opposed to it. And besides, I'm not limiting or discriminating against homosexuals in this thread, I'm proposing that we protect marriage between one man and one woman and strengthen it since it's the bedrock of our society and civilization for the past 2,000+ years. Indeed, you should think of the c ...[text shortened]... a part of. So stand up straight (pun intended, in case you didn't get it) and fly right.
'bedrock of society,' right?
Nemesio
11 Sep 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterIts interesting how some people on this forum are proud to be commies, liberals and all that, but if you have a conservative (or mature?) point of view, you're immiediatly portrayed as a ''nazi'' , or a ''fascist'' (as I've been called before).
"Final Solution?" Darn, you've played the Nazi card again! Anything I say in this forum from now on has been negated, so I'm out of here. So long.
11 Sep 08
Originally posted by generalissimoI don't think that the right can claim the high ground here.
Its interesting how some people on this forum are proud to be commies, liberals and all that, but if you have a conservative (or mature?) point of view, you're immiediatly portrayed as a ''nazi'' , or a ''fascist'' (as I've been called before).
Didn't our resident problem child recently compare Obama giving inspirational speeches in Europe with the mesmerising rhetoric of Hitler?
I'm sure there will be many examples of right-wing pundits (and left-wing ones) bringing up the Hitler comparisons.