21 Jul 10
Originally posted by FMFNo, the government can have its standards, but those standards are no guarantee.
So you propose self-regulation for this kind of thing? BP should somehow ban itself? There is no role for the American public - through its elected government - to create protections, to set the standards and regualtions, to enforce them, to punish bad practice?
Did governement regulation work in this case? I think the Obama adminstration gave the rig that blew up a free pass on inspection. Just goes to show the incopetency at best (corruption at worst) of the governement.
So regulate and if the thing blows up and you can't deal with the situation in a timely manner, you lose your right to drill.
21 Jul 10
Originally posted by Hugh GlassPerhaps if there was actual consequences to the neglect, BP wouldn't contract out their rigs.
Two things, BP had contracted work out to others on that rig...yes their own mistake.
Also, I'd like to know if the SOP valve failed, if so why. I have seen ball valves fail simply because the nuts/bolts were torqued too tight.
21 Jul 10
Originally posted by EladarSo Obama would be right to prevent BP from drilling again? And if the government reached the conclusion that drilling in the Gulf ought to be scaled back or phased out, that would be ok too?
So regulate and if the thing blows up and you can't deal with the situation in a timely manner, you lose your right to drill.
21 Jul 10
Originally posted by FMFOr, how well did the government enforce the regulations that are already in place? Who is trained to inspect an SOP valve for catastrophic failure?
So you propose self-regulation for this kind of thing? BP should somehow ban itself? There is no role for the American public - through its elected government - to create protections, to set the standards and regualtions, to enforce them, to punish bad practice?
Was the manufacturerer of the valve ISO certified? Was it installed correctly by the contractors? Was there an inspector over seeing the whole operation?
21 Jul 10
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Originally posted by Hugh GlassEladar seems to be reluctant to concede these things cannot simply be left to the oil industry to self-regulate.
Or, how well did the government enforce the regulations that are already in place? Who is trained to inspect an SOP valve for catastrophic failure?
Was the manufacturerer of the valve ISO certified? Was it installed correctly by the contractors? Was there an inspector over seeing the whole operation?
21 Jul 10
Originally posted by FMFI never said that. I don't think things should be left to the oil industry. I'm just saying there should be an actual consequence. BP is to blame. They should be punished, and short term loss of money isn't enough.
Eladar seems to be reluctant to concede these things cannot simply be left to the oil industry to self-regulate.
Sure, Congress could take away BP's rights to deep water drilling (perhaps all off shore drilling) in US waters, but that isn't going to happen. PB has too much political influence to allow that to happen.
21 Jul 10
Originally posted by EladarYou think BP has any more or less influence than other multi-national oil companies?
I never said that. I don't think things should be left to the oil industry. I'm just saying there should be an actual consequence. BP is to blame. They should be punished, and short term loss of money isn't enough.
Sure, Congress could take away BP's rights to deep water drilling (perhaps all off shore drilling) in US waters, but that isn't going to happen. PB has too much political influence to allow that to happen.
Do you think corporations should be prevented from making political donations to election campaigns?
21 Jul 10
Originally posted by FMFYou are a fool if you think Corporate money can be prevented from flowing into politician's hands or the hands of their allies.
You think BP has any more or less influence than other multi-national oil companies?
Do you think corporations should be prevented from making political donations to election campaigns?
21 Jul 10
I don't want to sound like FMF...but.
I was a certified welder for years. The companies we did work for hired qualified inspectors to over see our welding, and to make sure our certs were current. And work was being done according to code...I believe their insurance companies demanded it. which makes sense.
Who was watching this operation?
21 Jul 10
Originally posted by FMFLol,, I don't think you have good enough dexterity to be a good welder... you did crash your bike right???
I have never claimed to be a certified welder. In fact I have never made a false claim about the employment I've had, except for those obviously in jest.
I just don't feel like throwing up every bit of work history, and areas I have visited over my life time.... sounds like an ego trip..... ah never mind