22 Sep 06
Originally posted by whodeyChavez has aligned himself with Islamic extremists?
In a recent UN speech the Venezuelan President gave a speech in which he called Bush the devil. He reminds me very much of Castro of Cuba. Castro abhorred the United States and therefore allied himself with an enemy of the US which was the USSR. Chavez, apparently, has similarly allied himself with an enemy of the US which are Islamic extremists. Its funny how the more things change the more they seem to stay the same.
22 Sep 06
Originally posted by SeitseIt's still the most meaningful contribution to this thread.
Because of the black history between the U.S. and Latin America,
bashing the U.S. is a marvelous domestic strategy to earn points
amongst the left and the millions of poor people. Chavez is just
tightening his already amazing domestic support.
On the other hand, it is funny to see that Chavez, as many U.S. puppet Latin American leaders [i]through ...[text shortened]... no
final, scholar and solid conclusion on this subject. I am still searching
for the truth.
22 Sep 06
Originally posted by kirksey957His oil is convieniant, that's all. It's nearer and in a relatively stable region compared to the Middle East. Still, if the enviros would allow us to drill in ANWR and off the Florida cost, we'd shut this Mussolini wannabe off like a leaky faucet.
Ah, but we love his oil.
22 Sep 06
Originally posted by no1marauderHe's right, you know. As I recall, that's the way it was reported in Pravda
Your memory serves poorly; it was the United States which almost threw the world into nuclear war. The Soviets put intermediate range nuclear missiles into Cuba in response to the US placing similar weapons into Turkey. The US' hysterical response almost caused a nuclear conflagration and would have if Kennedy had taken the advice of the Joint Chiefs and ...[text shortened]... uncontroversial history; I'm always amazed at how ignorant of history right-wing zealots are.
22 Sep 06
Originally posted by Seitseyou might be one of the few. Most people here haven't got a clue about chavez other than what their tv tells them
Because of the black history between the U.S. and Latin America,
bashing the U.S. is a marvelous domestic strategy to earn points
amongst the left and the millions of poor people. Chavez is just
tightening his already amazing domestic support.
On the other hand, it is funny to see that Chavez, as many U.S. puppet Latin American leaders [i]through ...[text shortened]... no
final, scholar and solid conclusion on this subject. I am still searching
for the truth.
22 Sep 06
Originally posted by no1marauderAt least someone knows the other side of the story. Thanks for providing balance to this grossly misinformed junk.
Your memory serves poorly; it was the United States which almost threw the world into nuclear war. The Soviets put intermediate range nuclear missiles into Cuba in response to the US placing similar weapons into Turkey. The US' hysterical response almost caused a nuclear conflagration and would have if Kennedy had taken the advice of the Joint Chiefs and ...[text shortened]... uncontroversial history; I'm always amazed at how ignorant of history right-wing zealots are.
22 Sep 06
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Originally posted by no1marauderalready did in the general forum...didn't seem right to repeat
You are free to actually present some information that disputes the facts presented.
Bush the Devil or something like that...ah hell with it...here's a copy/paste...............
American media for the most part has made Chavez out to be crazy and unstable, a dictator interested in only himself and personal glory.
While Chavez no doubt needs polishing from a diplomatic standpoint (the devil?? sulfur??) the guy has a plan to rebuild the south american countries. The plan is not one founded on Capitalism, but rather on socialism. And NOT socialism as Americans think, ie Communism, but rather one more along the lines of Sweden and Canada.
This plan will take several decades and will require the nationalization of several previously private industries, namely OIL. Venezula is awash in oil and wants to use the profits from this natural resource to pay off its international debt and raise the standard of living for its citizens. The US of course, would rather see the profits go to its own OIL industry companies...(keep in mind most of this current US admistration is made up of previous oil industry execs who will return to the oil industry once they are kicked out of office)
It is a FACT that the US with the help of the CIA organized the opposition and military parties in Venezula to stage a Coup against Chavez a few years ago. It actually succeeded but Chavez was able to regain power a few days later. Of course, the CIA/US has denied they were involved but do you own research and you'll find its a well known fact.
If you want to judge Chavez, keep in mind his reforms will take many many years to take hold. He HAS agreed to give oil to Cuba for basically free. THIS DOES NOT MAKE HIM A COMMUNIST. In turn Cuba has agreed to send its surplus of doctors to Venezula to treat and heal the poor villagers with no access to health care. The doctors havent reached everybody yet and Venezula still needs many more doctors to adequately take care of everyone. BUT, its a start.
The point, if you're still reading, is that Chavez is trying to wean the Southern American countries off of US influence and control. The IMF/World Bank are controlled by the US (YES THEY ARE) and follow a business first approach to economics. Chavez wants a people first economy. Once his people's standard of living has been lifted, he will then re-open industries to privatization. Chavez has resisted the personal money offered to him by the US to do their bidding and put his people first.
As Chavez said, read Chomsky's "US Hegemony or Survival?" book from a few years ago, or even better is John Perkins' "Confessions of an Economic Hitman"
Give the man a chance and don't listen to the god dam TV!
22 Sep 06
Originally posted by uzlessI was responding to DSR's snotty comment regarding the Cuban Missile Crisis (see the box). I generally agree with your assessment of Chavez.
already did in the general forum...didn't seem right to repeat
Bush the Devil or something like that...ah hell with it...here's a copy/paste...............
American media for the most part has made Chavez out to be crazy and unstable, a dictator interested in only himself and personal glory.
While Chavez no doubt needs polishing from a diplomatic ...[text shortened]... of an Economic Hitman"
Give the man a chance and don't listen to the god dam TV!
22 Sep 06
Originally posted by uzlessI don't have cable, haven't had it for years. I don't watch TV. I still dislike Chavez.
Give the man a chance and don't listen to the god dam TV!
As soon as he stops sounding exactly like the whiney Bush-haters I can't stand here on the internet I'll give the man a chance.
The fact is, our government is not made up of President Bush alone. The fact is, US imperialism has been going on since before President Bush was even born. Anyone who only talks about how President Bush is the problem with the world (like Chavez who can't stop talking about Bush) doesn't deserve recognition because they are obviously ignorant about how our government works.
22 Sep 06
Originally posted by DraxusPerhaps if you read Chavez's speech at the UN, your opinion that he only talks about Bush might change:
I don't have cable, haven't had it for years. I don't watch TV. I still dislike Chavez.
As soon as he stops sounding exactly like the whiney Bush-haters I can't stand here on the internet I'll give the man a chance.
The fact is, our government is not made up of President Bush alone. The fact is, US imperialism has been going on since before President ...[text shortened]... t deserve recognition because they are obviously ignorant about how our government works.
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=1555
22 Sep 06
Originally posted by no1marauderThe Cuban crises is always being portrayed by the Western Main Stream Media as a victory for Kennedy and the US while in reality it was the Soviet-Union getting what it wanted by threatening to place nuclear missiles on Cuba. The US decided to give in to the Soviet demands and decided to remove the nuclear missiles in Turkey and promised not to invade Cuba. In return the Sowjet Union withdrew their nuclear missiles from Cuba.
Your memory serves poorly; it was the United States which almost threw the world into nuclear war. The Soviets put intermediate range nuclear missiles into Cuba in response to the US placing similar weapons into Turkey. The US' hysterical response almost caused a nuclear conflagration and would have if Kennedy had taken the advice of the Joint Chiefs and ...[text shortened]... uncontroversial history; I'm always amazed at how ignorant of history right-wing zealots are.
In fact the outcome of the Cuba crises was a gigantic defeat for the US Kennedy administration. However, the subsequent US governments and the MSM always presented the Cuba crises as a glorious US victory to the public.
Taking these history courses do pay off, marauder. My compliments.