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12 Dec 23
13 Dec 23
@rajk999 saidI think that in the middle of the night on Oct 7 a lot of jews were killed in their beds. Who would do that? At least we can agree the guys in bed were the good guys, the ones doing the killing were the bad guys? A good starting place for any discussion.
Yeah .. the Palestinians wanted all or nothing. They made their choice and they got it.
13 Dec 23
@averagejoe1 saidTerrorist tactics is the hallmark of Islamic extremists. Its part of their culture, religion and psyche.
I think that in the middle of the night on Oct 7 a lot of jews were killed in their beds. Who would do that? At least we can agree the guys in bed were the good guys, the ones doing the killing were the bad guys? A good starting place for any discussion.
13 Dec 23
@averagejoe1 saidIf people illegally broke into your home and forced your family out causing them to be homeless....isn't that also the act of bad guys?
I think that in the middle of the night on Oct 7 a lot of jews were killed in their beds. Who would do that? At least we can agree the guys in bed were the good guys, the ones doing the killing were the bad guys? A good starting place for any discussion.
Israel has been doing that long before Oct 7th. If Hamas tried force families and their children out of their homes....would Israel be justified in defending their homes with force in your opinion?
13 Dec 23
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@vivify saidWhile Im not doubting what you are saying it would help the discussion to provide a specific example so that people can see the circumstances and the context. Just like how people say the events of Oct 7th 2023, and everyone knows exactly what is being referred to.
If people illegally broke into your home and forced your family out causing them to be homeless....isn't that also the act of bad guys?
Israel has been doing that long before Oct 7th. If Hamas tried force families and their children out of their homes....would Israel be justified in defending their homes with force in your opinion?
Just to provide an example of info that can be researched, the IDF removed all Jewish settlements from Gaza in 2005, by force. These Jews had generational homes there and were forced to move so that Gazans can have that area for themselves.
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13 Dec 23
@athousandyoung saidLOL…so palestine could encompass the entire world?
I’m middle aged and yes I know what a country is.
https://byjus.com/free-ias-prep/difference-between-country-and-nation/
A country may be an independent sovereign state or part of a larger state, a physical territory with a government, or a geographic region associated with sets of previously independent or differently associated people.
oh you libs are some funny little fukers😂
13 Dec 23
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@rajk999 saidThe article is from July of this year:
While Im not doubting what you are saying it would help the discussion to provide a specific example so that people can see the circumstances and the context. Just like how people say the events of Oct 7th 2023, and everyone knows exactly what is being referred to.
Just to provide an example of info that can be researched, the IDF removed all Jewish settlements from Gaza ...[text shortened]... d generational homes there and were forced to move so that Gazans can have that area for themselves.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/07/israel-opt-500-palestinians-facing-forcible-eviction-displacement-and-segregation/
An Israeli court has given the go-ahead for the forced eviction of 500 Palestinian Bedouins
@rajk999 saidRaj makes a good point to help you true-up your comment....he says 'provide specific example'.
While Im not doubting what you are saying it would help the discussion to provide a specific example so that people can see the circumstances and the context. Just like how people say the events of Oct 7th 2023, and everyone knows exactly what is being referred to.
Just to provide an example of info that can be researched, the IDF removed all Jewish settlements from Gaza ...[text shortened]... d generational homes there and were forced to move so that Gazans can have that area for themselves.
You see, you (Vivify) are quite casual as you gloss your post with the phrase 'broke into your home'. Cut to the chase, turkey. Who does said home belong to? Does it exist to be occupied under the 'Survival of the Fittest' rule? If so, then you may have a point as to who gets to walk in. But, with our only understanding a world of civility, the occupants must have 'title' to the home. It is thus their home.
Given that scenario, do you say that the invaders have a right to occupy the home owned by another human?
13 Dec 23
@athousandyoung saidAnd how many times must I keep you fellers up in this post.
I’m middle aged and yes I know what a country is.
https://byjus.com/free-ias-prep/difference-between-country-and-nation/
A country may be an independent sovereign state or part of a larger state, a physical territory with a government, or a geographic region associated with sets of previously independent or differently associated people.
In all lists of the countries existing in this world, Palestine is not on the list.
Liberals can argue about whether water is wet or not. Or they will throw us off subject by asking 'Do fish know that they are wet?'
@vivify saidOk, I had a look at the details and first off your article is biased and very anti-Israel, which is fine. I know where to look to get the other side of the story. Here it is...
The date of the article is from July of this year:
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/07/israel-opt-500-palestinians-facing-forcible-eviction-displacement-and-segregation/
An Israeli court has given the go-ahead for the forced eviction of 500 Palestinian Bedouins
Bedouins are a nomadic tribe, much like gypsies. They settle in a place for a few years, use as much of the resources as they can, leave the place in a mess and move on. That kind of lifestyle is fine 200 years ago and practical in a big African desert, but not suitable for a progressive developing small country like Israel. These particular Bedouins did not own any property in the Negev. They are all squatters.
The Negev Bedouins are a recent addition to the Jewish landscape. They moved into Israel in the early days after 1948 to benefit from the progress that Israel was bringing to the region. Prior to the State of Israel being formed that place was a barren, unproductive land of small subsistence farmers. So the Bedouins moved in to benefit from having the Jews put infrastructure in place which makes life easier. Unfortunately for them, these modern facilities come at a cost, ie following administrative guidelines, building codes, construction laws etc etc. They cannot live like they are in the desert. They were not able to follow these guidelines and continued with their primitive lifestyle. So their homes have to be destroyed and they will have to be relocated.
This is a problem with all developed countries that allow immigration of peoples from backward countries. They reduce the value of property, their lifestyle is not compatible with the locals and they often make themselves a nuisance. Therefore the Jews do not want their settlements near to these Bedouins. I dont blame them.
Im going to read up some more and see what other information there is on this.
13 Dec 23
@rajk999 saidFirst-rate Forum Fodder!!! Thumb up. Wonder what Shav's take would be on this.
Ok, I had a look at the details and first off your article is biased and very anti-Israel, which is fine. I know where to look to get the other side of the story. Here it is...
Bedouins are a nomadic tribe, much like gypsies. They settle in a place for a few years, use as much of the resources as they can, leave the place in a mess and move on. That kind of lifestyle is ...[text shortened]... dont blame them.
Im going to read up some more and see what other information there is on this.
13 Dec 23
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@rajk999 saidHere is some more info. Israel built several settlements for Negev Bediuons. Some moved in and some refused. The apartment lifestyle is not the Beduins first choice. They like open spaces, they have big herds of goats and sheep. They are farmers. So Israel was trying to move them to more appropriate areas,. They cannot just simply occupy large parts of the Negev claiming that it is theirs.. thats nonsense.
Israeli-built townships
Between 1968 and 1989 the state established urban townships for housing of deported Bedouin tribes and promised Bedouin services in exchange for the renunciation of their ancestral land.[44]
Hura school and community center
Within a few years, half of the Bedouin population moved into the seven townships built for them by the Israeli government.
The largest Bedouin locality in Israel is the city of Rahat, established in 1971. Other towns include Tel as-Sabi (Tel Sheva) (established in 1969), Shaqib al-Salam (Segev Shalom) in 1979, Ar'arat an-Naqab (Ar'ara BaNegev) and Kuseife in 1982, Lakiya in 1985 and Hura in 1989.[44][52][53]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negev_Bedouin#:~:text=Between%201968%20and%201989%20the,renunciation%20of%20their%20ancestral%20land.&text=Within%20a%20few%20years%2C%20half,them%20by%20the%20Israeli%20government.
13 Dec 23
@averagejoe1 saidHe is going to start cussing and calling people names 😀
First-rate Forum Fodder!!! Thumb up. Wonder what Shav's take would be on this.
13 Dec 23
@rajk999 saidIsraeli evictions also include East Jerusalem, which is part of the West Bank and therefore, Palestinian territory:
Here is some more info. Israel built several settlements for Negev Bediuons. Some moved in and some refused. The apartment lifestyle is not the Beduins first choice. They like open spaces, they have big herds of goats and sheep. They are farmers. So Israel was trying to move them to more appropriate areas,. They cannot just simply occupy large parts of the Negev claiming th ...[text shortened]... %20ancestral%20land.&text=Within%20a%20few%20years%2C%20half,them%20by%20the%20Israeli%20government.
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-jerusalem-old-city-evictions-east-c53ae70f2fa76e4b1f4b528bca4ff35e
13 Dec 23
@vivify saidNow y'all are invoking 'territory' into your posts. Whew... And you libs wonder why we cons regard your stuff with disdainful surmise.
Israeli evictions also include East Jerusalem, which is part of the West Bank and therefore, Palestinian territory:
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-jerusalem-old-city-evictions-east-c53ae70f2fa76e4b1f4b528bca4ff35e