@kannstipated saidHaha. Nice try.
@wildgrass
Ya well statistics point to certain things.
If you want to stick with the Red vs Blue politics instead of the real problem, well I can't help your denial.
It's relevant because it indicates what politics are more successful at dealing with the problem.
We're all agreeing here that crime is a problem. But why, if that's the issue that defines your vote, would you choose the party who does worse on crime? It's not a small difference either. In red states, the murder rate is 40% higher. There's no comprehensive demographic explanation. You can probably find one of your internet basement dwelling bloggers who says "well yeah but if you cherry pick the data in this way it makes the GOP look better..." but come on. R's talk but don't do.
Republican pearl clutching about crime is purely performative. They have no solutions that work.
"The Blue City Murder Problem," a study published Friday by the Edwin Meese III Center for Judicial and Legal Studies at the Heritage Foundation, found that, of the 30 American cities with the highest murder rates, 27 have Democratic mayors. Within those cities, there are at least 14 "rogue prosecutors" either backed or inspired by billionaire Democrat supporter George Soros.
Authors of the study, Charles Stimson, Zack Smith and Kevin D. Dayaratna, concluded, "Whether a state as a whole voted for Donald Trump or Joe Biden has nothing whatever to do with the homicide rates within its constituent parts."
"For example, in Orleans Parish, Louisiana, which encompasses New Orleans, the city with the highest homicide rate in the country as of June 2022, District Attorney Jason Williams, Mayor LaToya Cantrell and all seven members of the City Council are Democrats.
In the city St. Louis, which has the fourth-highest homicide rate, all the elected officials are Democrats. The 28 members of the Board of Alderman are all Democrats, as are Circuit Attorney (the equivalent of a local district attorney) Kim Gardner and Mayor Tishaura Jones."
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-study-debunks-red-state-high-crime-claim-by-hillary-clinton-democrats
@wildgrass
So you choose to ignore the murder rate based on racial stats so how are you going to ignore 27 Democrat cities having the highest murder rates?
@kannstipated saidAre these men, doing legal studies, hamstrung by our societal restrictions and mores that make them have to refrain from bringing you-know-what into the scenario ? Seems it leaves their findings incomplete, and frankly not valid. It is like they blame The mayors, leaving out the other obvious reason for all the killings.
"The Blue City Murder Problem," a study published Friday by the Edwin Meese III Center for Judicial and Legal Studies at the Heritage Foundation, found that, of the 30 American cities with the highest murder rates, 27 have Democratic mayors. Within those cities, there are at least 14 "rogue prosecutors" either backed or inspired by billionaire Democrat supporter George S ...[text shortened]... //www.foxnews.com/politics/new-study-debunks-red-state-high-crime-claim-by-hillary-clinton-democrats
Me, I wouldn’t bother reading it to the end, or search for the answers in their writings,
@AverageJoe1
Very true.
Nothing will change until people are willing to address the elephant in the room.
@kannstipated saidYour article correctly states that law and order reflects an amalgam of local, state, and federal policies. Despite a stark distinction between red and blue - both groups contain large urban and rural areas - you choose to ignore any impact a state governor has on murder rate. Fine but myopic.
"The Blue City Murder Problem," a study published Friday by the Edwin Meese III Center for Judicial and Legal Studies at the Heritage Foundation, found that, of the 30 American cities with the highest murder rates, 27 have Democratic mayors. Within those cities, there are at least 14 "rogue prosecutors" either backed or inspired by billionaire Democrat supporter George S ...[text shortened]... //www.foxnews.com/politics/new-study-debunks-red-state-high-crime-claim-by-hillary-clinton-democrats
But then If you focus only on cities do you notice that there is no point of comparison? Cities run by demon rats are bad but the comparison to GOP run local police? It doesn't exist. The largest metro area run by a republican is Jacksonville, with a murder rate of more than 14 per 100,000 is a lot higher than many similar sized cities run by democrats.
. The focus should be on policy though right? What are the Rs offering to change? Right now the biggest correlation between policy and crime (murder rate) are the statewide restrictions on guns. That's why there's such a big difference between red states and blue states.
I'll vote for the person who tells me how to fix a problem over the one who bloviates about how bad the problem is.
@wildgrass
The Dems aren't providing a solution.
Cashless bail? Failure.
Sympathetic Prosecution? Failure.
Anti Cop? Failure.
Repubs would change that.
So please tell us what the Democrats are saying about fighting crime?
@no1marauder saidWhat did citizenry ( the people.!) do to warrant such police action?
Why would anyone condemn BLM for mobilizing demonstrations that attracted tens of millions to condemn unwarranted police violence against the citizenry?
What I mean is, if you and I were down in that neighborhood and observing what was going on, would you and I have been arrested? What for.? They wouldn’t arrest us for doing nothing wrong, would they. ? I am missing the gist of your comment.
Let’s say you and I were sittin a cafe having a lemonade, inthese 2 chairs , 🪑🪑would we have been arrested? Why?
Maybe it is what happens when two cultures, police and those ‘citizens’ ,clash, like a lion, and an elk in Wyoming.. but Yeah, that may be what it is .I have by the way I’ve noticed that you never use the word culture. Like you don’t use the word independence , freedom , self reliance, and prosperity. So, I don’t mean to get ahead of you.
So, why would you and I not have been arrested?
@wildgrass saidI haven't followed this so much, sorry but your mention 'the party that does worse on crime'. Are you libs oblivious to the No Bail, to the criminals with a rap sheet who are still put out on the street, I Could go on and on, you can see a plethora of videos showing the criminals in action, all seemingly of the same culture, that have been turned loose by the liberal politicians. A 25-time offender raped a jogger yesterday AM. Are you going to turn him out again?
Haha. Nice try.
It's relevant because it indicates what politics are more successful at dealing with the problem.
We're all agreeing here that crime is a problem. But why, if that's the issue that defines your vote, would you choose the party who does worse on crime? It's not a small difference either. In red states, the murder rate is 40% higher. There's no comprehen ...[text shortened]...
Republican pearl clutching about crime is purely performative. They have no solutions that work.
We all know it. Why don't you know it? You been talking to Marauder?
@kannstipated saidIs bail reform more common in republican states with higher murder rates?
@wildgrass
The Dems aren't providing a solution.
Cashless bail? Failure.
Sympathetic Prosecution? Failure.
Repubs would change that.
So please tell us what the Democrats are saying about fighting crime?
I'm not a politician trying to earn your vote. I'm also not one of those folks who votes on crime because it's not a big issue where I live. So I can't knowledgeably answer your question.
My original comment was to point out that democrat-run states have policies that statistically do a better job of preventing murder. I think it has to do with gun laws. If I was a voter who was voting on crime as a major issue, I would ask the republican running for office how they would fix it. I don't think there's much evidence that the methods you describe will work
@averagejoe1 saidIf what you say is true then why are there 40% more murders in red states? It can't be because of urbanization because the most urban states (new York, new jersey, Cali, mass) are blue.
I haven't followed this so much, sorry but your mention 'the party that does worse on crime'. Are you libs oblivious to the No Bail, to the criminals with a rap sheet who are still put out on the street, I Could go on and on, you can see a plethora of videos showing the criminals in action, all seemingly of the same culture, that have been turned loose by the liberal po ...[text shortened]... ng to turn him out again?
We all know it. Why don't you know it? You been talking to Marauder?
I'll vote for the person who tells me how to fix a problem over the one who bloviates about how bad the problem is.Me, AvJoe, will vote for the person who ‘recognizes’ the problem. None of the people y’all are referring to recognize the problem, and certainly no one in this forum on your side recognizesthe problem.
Seriously, why doesn’t marauder or of one of y’all step forward and say this is out of hand? Instead of defending these killers? You are aware that the we think that you are defending killers?
@wildgrass saidAnd that's why the Electoral College will remain in place.
I'm not a politician trying to earn your vote. I'm also not one of those folks who votes on crime because it's not a big issue where I live. So I can't knowledgeably answer your question.
@kannstipated saidLol wut? Electoral college weights rural votes more heavily, you know, the ones with much much lower rates of crime. If anything, eliminating the EC would make the issue of crime more relevant politically.
And that's why the Electoral College will remain in place.