Das Kapital for Whodey

@eladar said
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj_9fXgnMbjAhXB0J8KHemmB5MQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessinsider.com%2Ftax-rates-take-home-salaries-40-countries-2018-5&psig=AOvVaw1f7G29L_TrY9t0MuVQVqSh&ust=1563805812588234

Kaz make sure you are talking post tax income.

I don't know where such figures come from, but they seem to consider only Federal Income Tax in the US, while counting all types of taxes in other countries. This is an apples to oranges comparison.

Our tax rates are far higher than 18%: f you add up the four income-based categories of taxation (Federal, state/local, Social Security, and Medicare), the average American's effective tax rate is 29.8%. This is in addition to any consumption-based taxes paid, such as sales tax, property tax, or other taxes on specific items.

https://www.fool.com/retirement/2017/03/04/whats-the-average-americans-tax-rate.aspx

Since: the overall average sales tax rate in the U.S. was 8.45% in mid-2015, according to a report from Thomson Reuters. (Ibid.)
and there's still property and other taxes to consider, the "practical tax rate" must be close to or above 40%.

@eladar said
Lol, you are pathetic. Our take home pay has healthcare insurance taken out. Take home pay is the money people actually get to spend. It is the only true way to compare.

You're having some trouble keeping on track. Your post-tax income is before deductions by your employer for health care coverage.

It would be fine to compare the net pay after costs for health care, education, etc. and if you do that you'll find that a typical Norwegian earns more.

@kazetnagorra said
You're having some trouble keeping on track. Your post-tax income is before deductions by your employer for health care coverage.

It would be fine to compare the net pay after costs for health care, education, etc. and if you do that you'll find that a typical Norwegian earns more.

Education is free in the US. Healthcare is free for many.

It would be nice if someone would actually crunch those numbers.

@kazetnagorra said
I see. You think wrong.

The typical worker earns a higher salary in Norway than in any other country in the world, with Norwegian wage earners taking home more than double the median per-capita global income, a Gallup survey of household incomes published on Tuesday has revealed.
The median income in Norway came out at just under 120,000 kroner per year ($19,3 ...[text shortened]... ng country.

https://www.thelocal.no/20131217/average-norwegian-earns-worlds-highest-salary

Even if comparing medians is more "fair" than comparing averages, considering them without also looking at the cost of living is myopic. Norway may rank highly, but when it's not ranked as the most expensive country in the world, it's always top 5. The US usually doesn't even make it into the top 20.

Another factor to consider is that Norwegian figures are distorted by oil.

@eladar said
Education is free in the US. Healthcare is free for many.

It would be nice if someone would actually crunch those numbers.

Neither of those things are even remotely true.

@ashiitaka said
Even if comparing medians is more "fair" than comparing averages, considering them without also looking at the cost of living is myopic. Norway may rank highly, but when it's not ranked as the most expensive country in the world, it's always top 5. The US usually doesn't even make it into the top 20.

Another factor to consider is that Norwegian figures are distorted by oil.

Either way, Eladar's notion that "everyone is poor" in Norway is obviously false.

@kazetnagorra said
You think people are "struggling" in wealthy European societies?

You think European societies are socialist?

Would Marx say that they have achieved their socialist utopia?

@shavixmir said
Hey man, since you're struggling with socialism and Marx, I thought I'd help you out.

There's quite a good summary for you to start with:

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Kapital

Of course, I take it for granted you speak German.

You don't?

Dearly me. It's so I unlike me to overestimate you, yet here I am... doing it again.

Oh well.

What are the greatest misconceptions about Marx in your opinion?

@kazetnagorra said
Either way, Eladar's notion that "everyone is poor" in Norway is obviously false.

I did not say everyone in Norway is poor. They are just poorer than they need to be.

@whodey said
You think European societies are socialist?

Would Marx say that they have achieved their socialist utopia?

The second-largest group in the EP is socialist, and socialists used to be more influential in the postwar era.

@kazetnagorra said
Neither of those things are even remotely true.

You are decieved.

@whodey said
What are the greatest misconceptions about Marx in your opinion?

Why don't you read Das Kapital and find out?

@kazetnagorra said
Why don't you read Das Kapital and find out?

So you have no idea.


Thought so.

@kazetnagorra said
The second-largest group in the EP is socialist, and socialists used to be more influential in the postwar era.

Do the Proletariat run things in Europe?

@whodey said
You think European societies are socialist?

Would Marx say that they have achieved their socialist utopia?

Exactly.
Those countries in Europe are not socialist.
That would be like calling Canada socialist.
I'm not sure what those northern European countries as well as Canada should be classified under but it's not socialist.

And that book Das Kapital...sucks.
Page after page of..."if I make coats and you make tables we should trade with coats and tables"
Jesus 🙄...just going to the grocery store would require a tractor trailer full of tradeable items just so I can get some damn food? No thanks.

And... what the hell does shavixmir know about countries and economics?
Isn't she from Scotland?
A country that is barely holding on?
I watched a video about Scotland, it was so sad 😔
Those poor pathetic people.