29 Dec 06
Originally posted by millermanJust shows how stupid you are.
It just annoys me that most americans answer to difficult sitautions is to Kill em all....
Didn't work in Korea, It didn't work in Vietnam...........................
What I posted is nowhere near what you'd hear from "most Americans."
Would've worked in both Korea and Vietnam if we'd have actually done it.
We held back both times and again now in Iraq.
30 Dec 06
Originally posted by millermanFirst, nobody ever said "the war was won." mission accomplished was the invasion and overthrow mission. People like to take that out of context because if they don't use it in context they can ridicule it. I think most people are just jealous that their president can't land a plane on an aircraft carrier.
Great insight you provided there Merk. Now wake up and read whats been really happening in Iraq since " The war was Won"
After the overthrow, the Sunni went completely ape, killing not only Americans, but way to many Shia as well. The Shia have fought back. Not just Al-Sadr (who is a major power base for Al-Maliki) and his Mahdi army either. The Shia are systematically pushing the Sunni out of Bagdad.
Which leads me to something I have often said. Ethnic cleansing often leads to a relatively stable nation state. Now, I'm not saying genocide is the answer or that it isn't disgusting. But, if relocating populations gets the job done for Iraq, then let the iraqis get to it. Population relocation has worked time and again throughout history.
The U.S. Is afraid of Iranian (they're largely Shia - especially the thugs in power) influence on a Shia controlled Iraq. In fact, the U.S. Has released 2 and are still holding 2 Iranian "diplomats" that were clearly involve in IED's. Imy personal opinion is not to worry. The Iraqi people are a proud people and want they're own country (we can see that obviously) they want no part of being an Iranian puppet. We are afraid the will end up like Lebanon or something. That's crap. Lebanon has no resources to speak of and therefore no money. They need the international community to remain a Nation. That is not the case with Iraq at all.
If you would like any more information about facts on the ground in Iraq. Feel free to ask.
30 Dec 06
Originally posted by jammerYour armed forces used white phosphorus against civilians in Fallujah. I can't think of a worse war crime. You will lose, and it will be despite and because of your administration's attempts to "kill them all". I am glad that most Americans do not share your views.
Just shows how stupid you are.
What I posted is nowhere near what you'd hear from "most Americans."
Would've worked in both Korea and Vietnam if we'd have actually done it.
We held back both times and again now in Iraq.
Saddam Hussain knows that his days are numbered and would rather be shot, but knows that if he is executed by an invading army after an unlawful trial (don't kid yourself about that) then history will judge him less unkindly than if he'd been sentenced to life after a fair trial. Everyone dies in the end, what these people care about is the write up, and he will go to his execution with the belief that he'll get rehabilitated by history.
30 Dec 06
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Originally posted by DeepThoughtAn unlawful trial.
Your armed forces used white phosphorus against civilians in Fallujah. I can't think of a worse war crime. You will lose, and it will be despite and because of your administration's attempts to "kill them all". I am glad that most Americans do not share your views.
Saddam Hussain knows that his days are numbered and would rather be shot, but knows and he will go to his execution with the belief that he'll get rehabilitated by history.
Frankly, that doesn't matter much to his victims families. The only place in the world where his trial is legal is in Iraq, which works out well for Iraq.
Some things are for show. No international tribunal is needed to justify Iraq breaking his neck, nor would a serious Iraqi tribunal be required. He has earned his fate. Legitimate or not, doesn't matter.
Furthermore, all this whining about a legitimate trial for a despot is nothing more than something intellectually dishonest anti-war,
anti-America, anti-Bush activists have clung onto to make themselves feel better.
If Bush was swinging tomorrow those same activists would be celebrating. It's deplorable intellectual dishonesty in action.
The idea of a legitimate "legal" trial for a murderous dictator is quite possibly the pinnacle of diplomatic absurdity.
Not that diplomatic (soft) power doesn't have its place, but its place is not in dealing with the execution of the likes of Saddam. Iraq should be allowed to kill him without a trial of any kind if that's what they want.
Funny, I never heard these people cry about "illegal" trials in Iraq before the U.S. And Britain got there.
More signs of intellectual dishonesty?
And sure, an American pilot said "check it out! Civilians!" "and I got phosphorus!" "Sweet!"
I'm sure there was no targets of military significance there at all. Nobody blending in with civilians and firing on military forces at all. No way. Uh-uh. Not insurgent hard boys. They wouldn't do that.
If they wanted to just lay waste to Falujah with white phosphorus, there wouldn't be anyone alive in Falujah.
Might I ask when this happened? I would like to look into your assertion so I can smack you down with the facts if you bring it up again.
30 Dec 06
Originally posted by jammerNo you just showed the entire membership of Red Hot Pawn how you can make stupidity an art form.
Just shows how stupid you are.
What I posted is nowhere near what you'd hear from "most Americans."
Would've worked in both Korea and Vietnam if we'd have actually done it.
We held back both times and again now in Iraq.
Held back with.....
Mass murders
Agent orange
Napalm
Carpet Bombing
Cluster Bombs
Fuel Air Bombs
Daisey Cutter
Cruise Missiles
Drones
Stealth Fighters
Stealth Bombers
M1 Abrahams Tanks
Yeah you really held back you Muppet
30 Dec 06
Originally posted by millermanLet me guess. Another Euro who wants to sit, whine, and do nothing. What should they do then? Free Saddam? I'm glad you're not in the decision making process.
Let me guess,
Another post from an american.................................
Really, do you guys ever get impartial media coverage of what's happening in the real world?
30 Dec 06
Originally posted by iraqi insurgentYou fight a war with daisies right? Putz.
No you just showed the entire membership of Red Hot Pawn how you can make stupidity an art form.
Held back with.....
Mass murders
Agent orange
Napalm
Carpet Bombing
Cluster Bombs
Fuel Air Bombs
Daisey Cutter
Cruise Missiles
Drones
Stealth Fighters
Stealth Bombers
M1 Abrahams Tanks
Yeah you really held back you Muppet
30 Dec 06
Originally posted by DeepThoughtOur forces did a wonderful job of keeping civilian casualties down to a minimum. That's why so many Marines and Soldiers were killed cleaning out that city. I would have given the people 48 hr. to clear out and then leveled the place to save my soldiers lives. Too bad to many weak willed leaders here want to follow the Euro agenda and that's why too many of out soldiers are getting killed.
Your armed forces used white phosphorus against civilians in Fallujah. I can't think of a worse war crime. You will lose, and it will be despite and because of your administration's attempts to "kill them all". I am glad that most Americans do not share your views.
Saddam Hussain knows that his days are numbered and would rather be shot, but knows ...[text shortened]... and he will go to his execution with the belief that he'll get rehabilitated by history.
30 Dec 06
Originally posted by slimjimno they are getting killed because they have invaded another country to murder it's citizens change it's government and steal it's wealth.
Our forces did a wonderful job of keeping civilian casualties down to a minimum. That's why so many Marines and Soldiers were killed cleaning out that city. I would have given the people 48 hr. to clear out and then leveled the place to save my soldiers lives. Too bad to many weak willed leaders here want to follow the Euro agenda and that's why too many of out soldiers are getting killed.
would they be dying at the hands of insurgents in Alabama, Texas, or Hawaii..... i think not, your either blinkered or ill informed sir
30 Dec 06
Originally posted by slimjimNazi generals wound up at the end of a rope for doing the same thing.
Our forces did a wonderful job of keeping civilian casualties down to a minimum. That's why so many Marines and Soldiers were killed cleaning out that city. I would have given the people 48 hr. to clear out and then leveled the place to save my soldiers lives. Too bad to many weak willed leaders here want to follow the Euro agenda and that's why too many of out soldiers are getting killed.
30 Dec 06
Originally posted by slimjimEuropean (old Europe) handwringing could be trademarked I think.
Let me guess. Another Euro who wants to sit, whine, and do nothing. What should they do then? Free Saddam? I'm glad you're not in the decision making process.
"When you absolutely positively need to get nothing done, Euro brand handwringings get the nothing done that you need."
30 Dec 06
Originally posted by MerkLook at it this way, if they can hang a head of state on the basis of an unfair trial what chance have the rest of us got?
An unlawful trial.
Frankly, that doesn't matter much to his victims families. The only place in the world where his trial is legal is in Iraq, which works out well for Iraq.
If Bush was swinging tomorrow those same activists would be celebrating. It's deplorable intellectual dishonesty in action.
Might I ask when this happened? I would like to look into your assertion so I can smack you down with the facts if you bring it up again.
He was never tried for the majority of his crimes and can never be held to account for them. I'm against the death penalty, even for George Bush. Except where confinement isn't an option, and letting them go will cause more deaths than just the one, the death penalty is a terror weapon.
Use of Phoshorus:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4440664.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4483690.stm
For US use of phoshorus - as an incendiary device, not just as a marker or for smoke generation.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4441822.stm
For UK use, although my countries government are currently claiming they only use it for flares and to generate smoke to give cover to troops. This use is legal under the Geneva convention, but is highly irresposible, as the flares can drip the stuff.
Incidentally the accusation is that it was used in shells, so this is artillery rather than USAF pilots. You'll find it difficult to 'smack me down with the facts' because I'm fairly careful and do research before I make accusations of war crimes. Shame GW Bush and our own dear primeminister weren't as careful when they were talking about WMD's isn't it?
30 Dec 06
Originally posted by MerkWhereas Americans are willing to do anything- provided that they have had something done to them (911, Pearl Harbour) in the first place, to move them out of their isolationist stance in relation to the rest of the world.
European (old Europe) handwringing could be trademarked I think.
"When you absolutely positively need to get nothing done, Euro brand handwringings get the nothing done that you need."
Look at the stunning US successes in getting things done in Indochina and Iraq! 😞
30 Dec 06
Originally posted by MerkYou point out the different groups within Iraq, and then go onto say that all the Iraqi people wantone sovreign naion, free from Iranian influence. Surely some Shia would support separation, and a strong, close alliance with Iran.
First, nobody ever said "the war was won." mission accomplished was the invasion and overthrow mission. People like to take that out of context because if they don't use it in context they can ridicule it. I think most people are just jealous that their president can't land a plane on an aircraft carrier.
After the overthrow, the Sunni went completely ape, ...[text shortened]... would like any more information about facts on the ground in Iraq. Feel free to ask.