Deepthroat revealed?

Originally posted by KneverKnight
If this is true, I guess this means that Hoover knew all about it ...

Only if Hoover had remarkable foresight. The Watergate burglary was on June 17, 1972, J. Edgar Hoover died on May 2, 1972.

Don't they teach history in your schools?

Originally posted by steerpike
At least get your facts right.
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So it was Nixon who agreed to remove all US forces from South Vietnam. So how could Ford win in Viet Nam if your right wing hero - elected on a pledge of bringing the war to an end- had pulled out all US troops?

Nixon and Kissinger lost the Viet Nam war.

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Correct me is I'm wrong, but the wording also states that the Commies would honor "Open and free elections of all peoples to decide their fate".

Instead, when Nixon left, they counted to ten and invaded in more force than ever. But that's war. I don't begrudge them their victory. They had a lot of allies. And they won fair and square. Where is it written that one can't use stupidity against a foe? Nowhere I think.

I just think that it was stupid to let the commies take over and kill how many more millions? Than had they not insisted on invading the south?

Quite a few. Not?

Why was it "ordained in heaven" that the commies win?

I'll tell you an exact example that can be compared today.

Why is it "ordained in heaven" that "insurgents" win in Iraq?

Same as then. They have 40% of the US population pulling for them. They have half the US congress and Senate pulling for them. Just like vietnam.

And All of Europe. Just like then.

Maybe. Hell. Who knows? I just lived then and I live now. It is the same war of wills and desires. Exactly the same. The only difference now is that WE -- THE SIDE AGAINST THE COWARDLY DICTATORS -- now have a voice in the propaganda effort. Back then, there were only friends of evil. In my opinion.

This is my theme tonight:

"What price is good and should be paid for the notion of 'Freedom'"?

Or is it just a really good idea for those of us who are "sophisticated"?

If a free press, freedom of religion and the right to choose our government are really such noble things, why do the friends of commies and terror everywhere argue that the struggle to give those very things to those who are slaves is wrong?

Can one get an answer from a Lib? Hell no. I'll give you an example.

Answer this question with a yes/no answer steerpike.

"Is the price of removing Saddam from power worth the war that it took to do it"?

Just yes or no. Then give reasons.

I say yes.

Because I truly believe that only when we eliminate dictators can we hope for world peace.

Because I am sick and tired of poor people dying for no reason in nations controled by dictators. Aid means nothing if one can't get it to the people in need. And you can't get it past dictators. See "Food for Oil".

Because I hate war. The dictator in question personally caused 3 major wars that killed millions. Bush has never caused a war. He fought a war mandated by the UN's will. Bush has never killed a single political enemy. According to #zero, Saddam killed maybe 10,000 personal and political enemies? Is he truly worthy of support any more than the North Vietnamese commies? Those old boys have sure made a better world. Haven't they? Their nation is just a beacon of light and right to the world. Isn't it?

I will bet you that you fail to give a yes/no answer. You can't. Because libs don't have intellectual capacity. Only "feelings". Like a damned Bread song gone horribly wrong.

Originally posted by steerpike
Only if Hoover had remarkable foresight. The Watergate burglary was on June 17, 1972, J. Edgar Hoover died on May 2, 1972.

Don't they teach history in your schools?

I was just checking to see if you were paying attention.

Originally posted by StarValleyWy
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Correct me is I'm wrong, but the wording also states that the Commies would honor "Open and free elections of all peoples to decide their fate".

Instead, when Nixon left, they counted to ten and invaded in more force than ever. But that's war. I don't begrudge them their victory. They had a lot of allies. And they won fair and square. Wher ...[text shortened]... have intellectual capacity. Only "feelings". Like a damned Bread song gone horribly wrong.

Article 9b stated ' genuinely free and democratic general elections under international supervision'. And if Nixon believed that, he must have been the dumbest president ever.

As for the bloodbath after - two million died in the war. So how many died after? Hw about we use a "My Lai" as a unit to measure innocent Vietnamese killed because they backed the wrong party - 500 lives at a time?

"Is the price of removing Saddam from power worth the war that it took to do it"?

No. The price of removing your dictator is 20 000 in two years and rising.