Did atheism destroy the USSR?

Originally posted by FMF
Yes I have. And the way you put that suggests to me that you are going to pretend that you have too. But you're just bluffing. I live in Indonesia. It's a capitalist country. A sweatshop for the capitalist system, in fact. An engine room. I can see the reality all around me. Believe you me, capitalism is a form of slavery too. You should travel around the world a little. Broaden your horizons.

So describe the Cuban food .
Describe the airport - the immigration area.
How did you get from the airport to the hotel?
Describe downtown Havana.

Ive been to Cuba 3 times. My horizons are quite broad thank you.

That 'sweatshop' is far more produtive and sucessful that any communist country you care to mention.

Originally posted by torch71
Yes if you are from another country spending money there, they love you and you can have a wonderful time. But if you live there and are a resident, it sucks. Most of the thousand opon thousands of Cubans that make it to south Florida on make shift rafts and whatever they can find to float on, will tell you that and the words they most often use are F@#k Fidel.

Most of the 50,000 Britons who emigrate to Australia each year say F@#ck Britain.

And besides, imagine if you were a Cuban landing on a redneck beach somewhere in South Florida, what would you say?

Originally posted by Ullr
Exactly how does Hugo Chavez present the prospect of freeing people from the slavery of communism and/or capitalism? From my view he is simply in the business of consolidating power towards his regime and setting himself up as dictator of Venezuela. The average schmoe will be no better off with Hugo than with capitalist exploitation.

They will be worse off.
They will enjoy the same degree of poverty but without the freedom to get the hell out and live elsewhere.

Originally posted by FMF
Most of the 50,000 Britons who emigrate to Australia each year say F@#ck Britain.

And besides, imagine if you were a Cuban landing on a redneck beach somewhere in South Florida, what would you say?

If you have ever been to South Florida(MIAMI), you would know there are no rednecks in that area, mostly Cuban Americans. Britons emigrate, but do they risk thier very lives in a 55 gallon drum or other make shift objects trying to get out of Briton, which many have died from?

Ive been to Cuba 3 times. My horizons are quite broad thank you.

That 'sweatshop' is far more produtive and sucessful that any communist country you care to mention.

I don't believe you, quite frankly. I've read many of your posts on this forum and you don't come across as a person with broad horizons. Not at all. Indeed, you come across - and I mean no offence by this - as a misanthropic idealogue who harps on about the same things all the time. As you say:

"That 'sweatshop' [here in Indonesia] is far more productive and sucessful than blah blah blah..."

Your misanthropy is so naive it's almost laughable. Indonesian sweatshops are "far more productive..." ... "...and successful." Oh that's all right then. Than you for sharing your broad horizons with me.

Originally posted by Rajk999
[Venezuelans] will be worse off [under Chavez than under capitalism].
They will enjoy the same degree of poverty but without the freedom to get the hell out and live elsewhere.

And THAT'S your advertisement for the pre-Chavez/post-Chavez capitalist system in Venezuela??!

Originally posted by torch71
Yes if you are from another country spending money there, they love you and you can have a wonderful time. But if you live there and are a resident, it sucks. Most of the thousand opon thousands of Cubans that make it to south Florida on make shift rafts and whatever they can find to float on, will tell you that and the words they most often use are F@#k Fidel.

Then again, not many people leaving a country are going to say that they love it are they?

Originally posted by mrstabby
Then again, not many people leaving a country are going to say that they love it are they?

Are you familiar with, or read any of the news about the Cuban refugees?

Originally posted by FMF
I don't believe you, quite frankly. I've read many of your posts on this forum and you don't come across as a person with broad horizons. Not at all. Indeed, you come across - and I mean no offence by this - as a misanthropic idealogue who harps on about the same things all the time. As you say:

"That 'sweatshop' [here in Indonesia] is far more productive and ...[text shortened]... ssful." Oh that's all right then. Than you for sharing your broad horizons with me.

Hahahaha .... . You cant tell me a single thing about Cuba, can you ?
I live near to Cuba.. you moron.
I lived the Cayman Islands for 10 years.
Cayman to Cuba is a 1 hr flight.

You sound like a pathethic looser that has failed to adjust to life in a hectic capitalist socieity, that requires you to work hard in order to succeed.

Originally posted by Rajk999
You sound like a pathethic looser that has failed to adjust to life in a hectic capitalist socieity, that requires you to work hard in order to succeed.

Yep. OK. You got me. Down to a tee. You're very, very incisive. You are very, very good at analyzing the world. I have been steam-rollered by you. I may not post again. Not for a while.

Originally posted by FMF
Oh? Haven't you been following what's been going on in Venezuela for the last 9 years? Your bald assertion makes it seem like you might not actually be all that interested in what's happening.

Actually I am interested but admittedly don't know a lot of detail about it. Which is why I've asked the question which you incidentally did not answer. So I'll ask again. How exactly do you see Hugo Chavez raising the prospects of the Venezuelan people to escape the slavery of communism or exploitation capitalism?

My bald assertion, as you put it, is based on the failures of the past in other parts of the world.

Originally posted by FMF
Yep. OK. You got me. Down to a tee. You're very, very incisive. You are very, very good at analyzing the world. I have been steam-rollered by you. I may not post again. Not for a while.

Ok ... woossey . I apologise for the insults, and I will ignore your sarcism. Please get back into the disucssion.

Ullr asked you an interesting question. I would like to see your answer as well.

Originally posted by whodey
This question makes about as much sense as others on this forum.

Discuss.

I believe atheism, which resulted from Marxism, caused the defeat of the U.S.S.R. in the Cold War. Marxism, socialism, communalism, etc., takes everything that is meaningful in life: God, family, work, etc., and turns it into a nightmare that is contrary to the spirit of man. Anyone advocating socialism in this day in age is a nincompoop in light of the undeniable evidence that "rich" countries are rich because of varying degrees of capitalism and transparency, while "poor" countries remain poor because of Marxism and other dictatorial policies that have no basis in economic reality. Furthermore, I would posit that anyone advocating socialism today is: a member of the political class, a power mad dictator a la Hugo Chavez, or someone ignorant of basic economic theory, i.e., like the great mass of unwashed on the RHP Discussion forum.

Originally posted by FMF
Capitalism is a form of slavery as well and, indeed, you cannot enslave people forever. That's why people like Hugo Chavez present such a fascinating prospect.

Hugo Chavez does present a fascinating prospect. In fact, all the wealthy and productive Venezuelans are fleeing to Miami, Houston and Calgary as fast as they can!

Originally posted by FMF
Yes I have. And the way you put that suggests to me that you are going to pretend that you have too. But you're just bluffing. I live in Indonesia. It's a capitalist country. A sweatshop for the capitalist system, in fact. An engine room. I can see the reality all around me. Believe you me, capitalism is a form of slavery too. You should travel around the world a little. Broaden your horizons.

Indonesians would be far worse off if there was no industry. Work, even at the Industrial Age level, lifts people out of poverty and provides the capital for further investment and increases the prospects for more economic activity.