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Did atheism destroy the USSR?

Did atheism destroy the USSR?

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Originally posted by FMF
Oh? Haven't you been following what's been going on in Venezuela for the last 9 years? Your bald assertion makes it seem like you might not actually be all that interested in what's happening.
What's happening there is their economy is in free fall. If not for the increased demand for oil, this tin dictator would have already been toppled by now.

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Originally posted by der schwarze Ritter
..........., or someone ignorant of basic economic theory, i.e., like the great mass of unwashed on the RHP Discussion forum.
You mean the broadminded lot ?

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Originally posted by der schwarze Ritter
What's happening there is their economy is in free fall. If not for the increased demand for oil, this tin dictator would have already been toppled by now.
This is true. One can look to India as an example. India used to be the sweatshop of the IT industry. Now they are experiencing rising wages and software companies in India are finding it a challenge to keep existing employees and find new ones. In other words it has become an employees market. And of course you hear people on this forum talk about how India and China are the two great emerging economies and it's true but look at how they started.

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Originally posted by Rajk999
You mean the broadminded lot ?
I'm constantly amazed that so many Europeans, and increasingly, Americans, still view socialism in a favorable light, even after it has been proven repeatedly by history and practice to be the inferior economic system.

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Originally posted by der schwarze Ritter
I'm constantly amazed that so many Europeans, and increasingly, Americans, still view socialism in a favorable light, even after it has been proven repeatedly by history and practice to be the inferior economic system.
Socialism? The people on this forum have gone way beyond that. We're talking flat out communism on this site or at least anti-capitalism. I don't know where the socialists are. Personally I think any reasonably functional society/government has got to be a balance between capitalism and socialism anyhow. Maintaining the correct balance is tough but doable. The lefties on this site simply want to denounce capitalism as the root and cause of all evil and hand the world over to left wing dictators under the guise of some unacheivable communist nirvana.

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Originally posted by Ullr
Socialism? The people on this forum have gone way beyond that. We're talking flat out communism on this site or at least anti-capitalism. I don't know where the socialists are. Personally I think any reasonably functional society/government has got to be a balance between capitalism and socialism anyhow. Maintaining the correct balance is tough but doable. ...[text shortened]... the world over to left wing dictators under the guise of some unacheivable communist nirvana.
Interesting.

Since my university years 30 yrs ago, I have been arguing with friends about this topic, and kept wondering if there could be a particular personality type that finds communism appealing or one that likes capitalism. Now I think I can simplify it down to a single sentence (annoying to some people) ---

Lazy people like communism and hardworking and productive people like capitalism.

A gross generalisation, I know, but it still has some truth to it.

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Originally posted by Rajk999
capitalist socieity, that requires you to work hard in order to succeed.
Do you work hard?

Have you succeeded?

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Originally posted by der schwarze Ritter
I believe atheism, which resulted from Marxism, caused the defeat of the U.S.S.R. in the Cold War. Marxism, socialism, communalism, etc., takes everything that is meaningful in life: God, family, work, etc., and turns it into a nightmare that is contrary to the spirit of man. Anyone advocating socialism in this day in age is a nincompoop in light ...[text shortened]... of basic economic theory, i.e., like the great mass of unwashed on the RHP Discussion forum.
Atheism did not result from Marxism. Where did you get that idea?

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Originally posted by Wheely
Do you work hard?

Have you succeeded?
This brings up the point that in Capitalism not everyone that works hard succeeds and not everyone that succeeds had to work hard. There are no guarantees.

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I'd like to hear an argument about why atheism destroyed the USSR.

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Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Atheism did not result from Marxism. Where did you get that idea?
Yeah that seems kind of silly. Even sillier is the notion that Atheism cause the downfall of the USSR. One does not have to be religous to be virtuous.

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Originally posted by Ullr
This brings up the point that in Capitalism not everyone that works hard succeeds and not everyone that succeeds had to work hard. There are no guarantees.
Thats why i recognise that its a generalisation.

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Originally posted by Wheely
Do you work hard?

Have you succeeded?
Yes

Yes, Beyond my wildest dreams.

What about you ?

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Originally posted by AThousandYoung
I'd like to hear an argument about why atheism destroyed the USSR.
I'm making the assumption that it doesn't really mean the way it reads.

I think it's suppose to mean that Marxists/socialists hid behind atheism much the same way some angry communists currently hide as anarchists.

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Originally posted by Merk
I'm making the assumption that it doesn't really mean the way it reads.

I think it's suppose to mean that Marxists/socialists hid behind atheism much the same way some angry communists currently hide as anarchists.
No, it's supposed to be a parody of my thread about Christianity and Rome. I want to point out that my thread has arguments that are supported by fact, whereas this thread does not.

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