Did gene vaccines ever stop the spread?

@no1marauder said
Tough break that you have to live in a society where there are rules to protect people from those who think they have a "right" to spread a deadly disease.

You have my pity. 😢

PS: Don't forget to stop at red lights.

Tough break that your claim on society is no more valid than mine, society isn't a thing, it's a collection of things, i.e. humans, individuals. If I can find others to deal with voluntarily you have no business interfering. Not everyone believes your fairytales and one day, hopefully before you die, state worship will be exposed for what it is, another religion.

And your eyes will be opened. Never has trust in goobermint and the parasites known as politicians been so low, one of the few good things to come from the panicdemic.

There are signs it's falling over, that the cure has been far worse than the disease, the only delays will be bureaurats trying to save face. There will be a few around here back pedaling too.

"When you're in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better," Fauci said, delivering air quotes. "But it's not providing the perfect protection people think that it is. Often there are unintended consequences: people keep fiddling with the mask, and they keep touching their face."

@wajoma said
Tough break that your claim on society is no more valid than mine, society isn't a thing, it's a collection of things, i.e. humans, individuals. If I can find others to deal with voluntarily you have no business interfering. Not everyone believes your fairytales and one day, hopefully before you die, state worship will be exposed for what it is, another religion.

And your ...[text shortened]... unintended consequences: people keep fiddling with the mask, and they keep touching their face."[/i]

🚨🤣Moronity of Gop alert!!🚧🚨

@shavixmir said
🚨🤣Moronity of Gop alert!!🚧🚨

Shag doody, it's been a while, but still no excuse, I am a libertarian, neither left nor right wing, no fan of the Gop, this has been explained to you numerous times.

Your childish emoticons, your wildly wrong accusation expose you for what you're.

@no1marauder said
The CDC's:

"We have the Tools to Fight Omicron

Vaccines

Vaccines remain the best public health measure to protect people from COVID-19, slow transmission, and reduce the likelihood of new variants emerging."

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/omicron-variant.html

WHO:

"The most effective steps individuals can take to reduce the spread of ...[text shortened]... nd pandemics, over internet dilettantes with little knowledge in any of the relevant fields any day.

I could point out how the CDC and WHO has lied before, but that doesn't seem to affect your blind faith. You are bound and determined to believe liars as long as they are "official" liars.
There is no evidence the gene vaccines slow transmission. This has been proven to you countless times. Vaccinated people have the same viral load as unvaccinated people so I am calling you out on your BS.
Even if the unvaccinated had a higher viral load it would not prove they spread the SARS2 virus more. Behavior has just as much to do with spread as viral load and ALL OF THE STUDIES YOU POST OMIT THAT IMPORTANT FACTOR.

None of that will sway you though. You have too much faith in your liars, so I will simply ask you this. If the gene vaccines are effective against the omicron variant why is Pfizer making an omicron specific gene vaccine?

https://www.healthcanal.com/news/pfizer-promises-an-omicron-specific-vaccine-by-march

@wajoma said
Shag doody, it's been a while, but still no excuse, I am a libertarian, neither left nor right wing, no fan of the Gop, this has been explained to you numerous times.

Your childish emoticons, your wildly wrong accusation expose you for what you're.

Moronity of nobody actually caring about your trailer trash opinions.

@earl-of-trumps said
I think they knew all along that the vaccines were not working, they told us long ago that
vax'd people could carry a full viral load just like unvax'd people. Just as dangerous to be near.

Unfortunately, as we have learned, social distancing does not adequately work, nor do masks.
But the biggest disappointment is that the vaccines are pretty much nothing more t ...[text shortened]...

Very bleak days for me, and I am sure most. never saw anything like this or even close to this.

Not to worry, Joe Biden promised us two years ago that he had a plan that would shut down the virus for good.
He said it constantly while he was campaigning.

@wajoma said
Shag doody, it's been a while, but still no excuse, I am a libertarian, neither left nor right wing, no fan of the Gop, this has been explained to you numerous times.

Your childish emoticons, your wildly wrong accusation expose you for what you're.

You're not a "libertarian" in the classical Lockean sense or in the sense that philosophy was understood for hundreds of years in European politics.

You're a far out Randian nut.

@no1marauder said
The CDC's:

"We have the Tools to Fight Omicron

Vaccines

Vaccines remain the best public health measure to protect people from COVID-19, slow transmission, and reduce the likelihood of new variants emerging."

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/omicron-variant.html

WHO:

"The most effective steps individuals can take to reduce the spread of ...[text shortened]... nd pandemics, over internet dilettantes with little knowledge in any of the relevant fields any day.

We don't often agree. But it is literally amazing that people are arguing with you.

@quackquack said
We don't often agree. But it is literally amazing that people are arguing with you.

Vaccines are awesome because, when you get Omicron, the vaccine will most likely keep it mild or asymptomatic and almost certainly keep you out of the hospital or cemetery, but I've seen no indication that vaccines do a lot of stop the spread of Omicron.

But if anyone has any evidence to that effect (evidence is not, for example, CDC guidance), by all means, reference it. I'd love to read it. My whole family is vaxxed and my wife and I are boosted (well, the 10 year old isn't vaxxed yet, but she has an appointment for her first shot on Sunday) and I'd love to hear that we're not going to get Omicron. But so far, all I see in real life is that Omicron seems to be ripping through heavily vaccinated countries just as easily as in other countries and every time you turn around, another vaxxed and boosted athlete or public figure is testing positive.

@no1marauder said
I'm confused; I asked for a cite from the CDC and/or WHO, not from NPR or SA. Last I checked their advice was still that the best way to slow the spread of COVID19, including Omnicron, was to get vaccinated.

There's no such place as one that is "fully vaccinated" in the US as you surely know.

Geez. How much evidence do you need that vaccines aren't stopping Omicron from spreading?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/19/health/omicron-vaccines-efficacy.html

https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/12/28/22855392/fully-vaccinated-people-spread-omicron-variant-to-others-cdc

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-evades-immunity-better-than-delta-danish-study-finds-2022-01-03/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/omicron-makes-bidens-vaccine-mandates-obsolete-covid-healthcare-osha-evidence-supreme-court-11641760009

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/omicron-vaccine-coming-in-march-experts-warn-it-could-be-too-late.html

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/12/31/1067702355/omicron-is-spreading-like-wildfire-scientists-are-trying-to-figure-out-why

@cliff-mashburn said
Not to worry, Joe Biden promised us two years ago that he had a plan that would shut down the virus for good.
He said it constantly while he was campaigning.

Yeah, things didn't quite turn out as expected, did they ?
A couple of new variants, the most recent which nobody saw coming.
Governments and health experts (like Fauci) make recommendations based on the information they have at hand at the moment.
Rand Paul's performance against Fauci in the Senate hearing this week was .....well ..... embarrassing !!
This pandemic is a moving target, and recommendations and policies can change at any time.
And many, including experts, will have differing opinions on the subject. Which is normal.

The line is crossed when those differing opinions are driven by political ambitions.

One, trying whitewash the pathetic response by the Trump administration by smearing others. Trump probably added to the death count potentially in the hundreds of thousands. And yet, there are those who are trying smooth out the path for Trump 2024.

Two, several GOP run states, Florida and Texas in particular, actively opposing any vaccine rollout strategy implemented by the Biden administration for their own political gain and to minimize any notion of a Biden political achievement.

I cringe to think what the pandemic in the US would look like if Trump was still president. Kung Flu !!!! 😢

@sh76 said
Geez. How much evidence do you need that vaccines aren't stopping Omicron from spreading?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/19/health/omicron-vaccines-efficacy.html

https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/12/28/22855392/fully-vaccinated-people-spread-omicron-variant-to-others-cdc

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-evades-immunity-better- ...[text shortened]... oda/2021/12/31/1067702355/omicron-is-spreading-like-wildfire-scientists-are-trying-to-figure-out-why

"Stopping"?

Why are you channeling MB?

@no1marauder said
"Stopping"?

Why are you channeling MB?

Oh, for crying out loud. You're resorting to semantics because you know you have no case on this issue.

"Dramatically slowing"

"Preventing wild uncontrolled spread"

"Containing"

Pick whatever phrase you like. You know exactly what I mean.

@shavixmir said
Moronity of nobody actually caring about your trailer trash opinions.

I made you drop the stupid emoticons and the Gop thing so it's a start, and you cared enough to respond, Played you like a fish.

@sh76 said
Oh, for crying out loud. You're resorting to semantics because you know you have no case on this issue.

"Dramatically slowing"

"Preventing wild uncontrolled spread"

"Containing"

Pick whatever phrase you like. You know exactly what I mean.

I trust in the CDC and WHO evaluations that higher levels of the vaccinated results in a slower spread of omnicron rather than your claim that even a 100% vaccination rate would make no difference.

Another 2699 COVID deaths were reported in the US yesterday; more evidence of omnicron's "mildness"?