@no1marauder saidOh, I think we are talking about after 13 weeks when things really start to form. I will give you the 13 weeks, I’ll drive the lady to the abortion clinic as long as I don’t have to pay for it. And I will ask her why she decided to get pregnant and then changed her mind.
Over 93% of abortions in the US are done before 13 weeks when a fetus hasn't developed anything like a fully functioning brain. https://abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/
So now,, have the courage to step forward and tell everybody that you know about the blood and guts in the emergency room, while at the same time having contemporaries who are incensed, as hypocritical vegetarians are, about killing animals.
Tell us why it is OK to kill those 7% babies, children as Biden calls them, but not animals, as protected by PETA
06 May 22
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BTW, I disagree with 93%, I’m just playing along to get you to come forward with these other pitiful wretched worthless little children. Some already have names. The sex of the child is known.
Step up, Marauder. Surely you don’t want a nice fresh new thread!!
06 May 22
@suzianne saidCmon, Sue, our president referred to the child being aborted. Child plus abortion equals killing. You can do this Suzanne!!! I guess we will never have an emoji of the aftermath of an abortion, doggone it. It would certainly simplify our discussions, as we see the Republicans would win the discussion.
I think that you, too, can stop lying about people "killing babies".
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@averagejoe1 saidYou do know, of course, that a high percentage of
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BTW, I disagree with 93%, I’m just playing along to get you to come forward with these other pitiful wretched worthless little children. Some already have names. The sex of the child is known.
Step up, Marauder. Surely you don’t want a nice fresh new thread!!
unwanted children, end up in penitentiaries.
https://phys.org/news/2010-07-crime-linked-out-of-wedlock-births.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect
@averagejoe1 saidBefore viability, it's none of mine, yours or the State's business what a woman decides to keep in or remove from her body.
Oh, I think we are talking about after 13 weeks when things really start to form. I will give you the 13 weeks, I’ll drive the lady to the abortion clinic as long as I don’t have to pay for it. And I will ask her why she decided to get pregnant and then changed her mind.
So now,, have the courage to step forward and tell everybody that you know about the blood and g ...[text shortened]... t is OK to kill those 7% babies, children as Biden calls them, but not animals, as protected by PETA
Such emotional drivel from you, Joe.
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06 May 22
@no1marauder saidPretty creepy, huh?
Before viability, it's none of mine, yours or the State's business what a woman decides to keep in or remove from her body.
Such emotional drivel from you, Joe.
06 May 22
@averagejoe1 saidCool then i guess each state at the border with Mexico should be allowed to decide how open the border should be and just how long the path to citizenship should be. I am thinking totally open and each immigrant coming in should become a citizen in 10 minutes of filling up some paperwork. You wouldn't have anything to say against that, would you? State rights?
It is a nothing burger. One sentence tells us all that it is for the states to deal with. That is it. SCOTUS should tell us all to leave them the hell alone, so they can get back to what their true business is, which are cases as they relate to the constitution of the United States.
Hallelujah. We don’t have to write about SCOTUS any more. But we can have aT IT about the states. Some states are for it, and some states are not. I love this country.
@averagejoe1 saidThere are no children being aborted and there never were. You constantly throwing that term around impresses nobody.
Cmon, Sue, our president referred to the child being aborted. Child plus abortion equals killing. You can do this Suzanne!!! I guess we will never have an emoji of the aftermath of an abortion, doggone it. It would certainly simplify our discussions, as we see the Republicans would win the discussion.
What a woman carries in her womb is called a fetus and in the first few months it barely even havw a form. It can't survive on its own. It's basically a parasite.
No human is ever forced to donate blood to save a life. No human is ever forced to donate a kidney. You can't even harvest organs from corpses without they having prior to their death given permission.
You and your pack of ignorant disgusting barbarians are effectively saying a woman has less agency over her body than a corpse does
@zahlanzi saidActually most abortions aren't even of fetuses which isn't until 9 weeks after fertilization. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetus
There are no children being aborted and there never were. You constantly throwing that term around impresses nobody.
What a woman carries in her womb is called a fetus and in the first few months it barely even havw a form. It can't survive on its own. It's basically a parasite.
No human is ever forced to donate blood to save a life. No human is ever forced to donate ...[text shortened]... isgusting barbarians are effectively saying a woman has less agency over her body than a corpse does
Back in 2014, " 65.3% of abortions were performed at a gestational age of 8 weeks or earlier". https://www.mdedge.com/obgyn/article/153059/practice-management/two-thirds-abortions-occur-8-weeks-gestation
The percentage is almost certainly higher now given the increased use of medication abortion which is now over half of all abortions in the US compared to 31% in 2014. https://www.guttmacher.org/article/2022/02/medication-abortion-now-accounts-more-half-all-us-abortions
06 May 22
@jimm619 saidYes, that is correct. This is a point that could be argued, but the down side would be govt interference with a free society. What would a govt do to stop 'future criminals' from being born, though? Tim Tebow, a tremendous solid man, a famous athlete, was almost aborted by his mother.
You do know, of course, that a high percentage of
unwanted children, end up in penitentiaries.
https://phys.org/news/2010-07-crime-linked-out-of-wedlock-births.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect
Not that you care what I think, but for the record, I have no sayso over a woman deciding to abort. Go for it, it is her business. Not that of SCOTUS. You know, a lib govt could likely FORCE a physician to perform abortions.
Bear in mind that China DOES control the 'child production' in China. You like the way China does things? So, tell us what you think is a good answer to the unwanted children thing. Abortion, of course, but how would it be implemented?
06 May 22
@no1marauder saidI have been saying that since the abortion threads started. I think our only diff is that I do not want to pay for it. I instead want to buy my daughter a wedding dress with that money. So, we are cool./
Before viability, it's none of mine, yours or the State's business what a woman decides to keep in or remove from her body.
Such emotional drivel from you, Joe.
Now, to the issue.......Would you please comment on the bloodiness, the dismemberment, the works? It is a great question, because many libs, like maybe Suzianne or Sonhouse, are vegetarians and are up in arms about slaughtering animals. They crash restaurants waving the ribs of slaughtered beef around.
BUT, BUT, they have no problem with slaughtering the unborn (7% of the abortions, you say....OK, 7%..) in a monstrous way.
Nothing personal, so tell me how THEY can justify that, when they don't want animals slaughtered. You need not tell us what you think. Tell us what some shrieker like Eliz Warren thinks about this conflict in the brain.
I have written nothing emotional in this thread. Knowing you, you will dive back into the thread to find something that may appear that way, to throw us off this issue.
C'mon, Man.....
06 May 22
@zahlanzi saidFIrst, I myself don't care what she does with her body. Her business, don't you know.
There are no children being aborted and there never were. You constantly throwing that term around impresses nobody.
What a woman carries in her womb is called a fetus and in the first few months it barely even havw a form. It can't survive on its own. It's basically a parasite.
No human is ever forced to donate blood to save a life. No human is ever forced to donate ...[text shortened]... isgusting barbarians are effectively saying a woman has less agency over her body than a corpse does
You aren't from around here, but the Governor of Virginia was agreeable and said it is OK for a mother to decide, after a baby is born, to kill the baby. Get a linker to find it for you.
Further, I proved it is a baby in the womb. A woman is pregnant with twins. One is born, at 2PM, a baby laying in a bassinet. The other baby will not be born until 6PM.
Tell us what the fetus, as you call it, is while it is still in the womb.
06 May 22
@zahlanzi saidSteady, you are on shaky ground. First understand what the responsibitliy of our govt is. They dont control as much as your govt controls, dont you see. They expect states to run their own affairs.
Cool then i guess each state at the border with Mexico should be allowed to decide how open the border should be and just how long the path to citizenship should be. I am thinking totally open and each immigrant coming in should become a citizen in 10 minutes of filling up some paperwork. You wouldn't have anything to say against that, would you? State rights?
Where you go wrong in this instance is that you suggest that 'the state should decide about citizenship'. What in the hell? The citizenship of which you speak is a Federal matter, i.e., a citizen. of the entire country.
You may want to rephrase your premise, and your last question, which makes no sense.
For the record, if I move from Kansas to Colorado, Colorado can indeed dictate its own requirements.......for RESIDENCY. Geez.
06 May 22
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I don't understand. You agree with No1 on the question of viability when it comes to abortion? But if he's not a vegan -- what? That doesn't count? Or there's a different issue on which you disagree? Are vegans who oppose abortion hypocrites? Are pro-choice advocates who are not vegans hypocrites? Both?