Originally posted by WheelyHmmm, I can think of some people I think are superior to me. I'm certain they wouldn't think so, but they are definetely superior to me in the 'brains' department. Thomas Sowell, Walter E Williams, Clarence Thomas and Stephen Hawkings (hope I got the spelling of his name correct)
How can anbody consider themselves superior?
Also, the strong language used in the quote is true as the author well knows.
Does it bother me? Nope. I feel discriminated against cause there are people here who play a better game of chess than me .... and they probably feel superior about it.
That doesn't bother me either, only motivates me to practice more and play harder.
what about reverse discrimination???
for example:
look at the Jenna six here in America
the black reform leaders of this nation are pushing that those six are innocent for attacking a white boy.
their argument is that the prosecution was based on skin color!
HELLO!
those six beat a kid to the brink of death, and you want him to get off?
hiding behing the racial issues of the fifties and sixties is no excuse for black people to get special priveledge
here's a new one:
white men across the nation are finding it harder and harder to get into college based on gender and skin color.
The college admissions chairmen are admitting blacks and women more because they are afraid of NAACP discrimination lawsuits!
This means that a white male with a 4.5 GPA has about the same chances of getting into a college as a black female with a 3.9 GPA!
this is preposterous!
Like DSR said, discrimination is now a misunderstood term and needs it's own descriptor.
I find there are people who are actually foolish enough to believe "all people are created equal". Nothing could be less true. The sheer number of people purporting this statement only provide further evidence that the masses really are duped sheep capable of believing anything they are told.
Racism, on the other hand, is very detrimental to social coexistence. This is only exacerbated by modern technology allowing cross continent migration further the fractured nature of ethnic groups.
What is needed, is a shift in social consciousness away from the ethno-centric mindset to overcome our old habits and constant evaluation of people in the "Us/Them" vision.
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterI think you have summed it up well here. While you may or may not be superior in one way or another to a particular person, extending that to encompass a feeling of superiority to all similar individuals is the crime.
I practice discrimination every day. When my subordinates submit their work for my inspection, I have to make judgments based on my experience. When I go to the grocery store, I have to make judgments when I start picking fruits and vegetables. The same applies with people – everyone makes their first judgment based on some sort of visual shortha ...[text shortened]... when you treat everyone from a certain group the same way without regard to the person's merit.
Judging an individual is one thing but it is very different from tarring everyone similar with the same brush.
The quote was transcribed from an interview with Janny Brandes-Brilleslijper, a Dutch Jew who was first in Auschwitz-Birkenau and then Bergen-Belsen. She was the women who confirmed the death of Anne Frank and her sister to Otto Frank, their father.
Originally posted by mdhallIt should have been "all humans are equivalent before the law." "All Men are created Equal" didn't even include women when it was written.
Like DSR said, discrimination is now a misunderstood term and needs it's own descriptor.
I find there are people who are actually foolish enough to believe "all people are created equal". Nothing could be less true. The sheer number of people purporting this statement only provide further evidence that the masses really are duped sheep capable of believi ...[text shortened]... ndset to overcome our old habits and constant evaluation of people in the "Us/Them" vision.
I'm beginning to think that one of the most important Scientific Principles in the Universe, right up there with the Laws of Motion and Thermodynamics is the Law of Software Upgrades.
Originally posted by WheelyHow about the discrimnation which has been practised in the USA since the 1960s which gives preference to members of certain minority ethnic groups over better qualified members of the majority group in selection for university and college places, and in certain types of employment?
I think you have summed it up well here. While you may or may not be superior in one way or another to a particular person, extending that to encompass a feeling of superiority to all similar individuals is the crime.
Judging an individual is one thing but it is very different from tarring everyone similar with the same brush.
The quote was transcribed ...[text shortened]... was the women who confirmed the death of Anne Frank and her sister to Otto Frank, their father.
Originally posted by gmetricwhat about it?
How about the discrimnation which has been practised in the USA since the 1960s which gives preference to members of certain minority ethnic groups over better qualified members of the majority group in selection for university and college places, and in certain types of employment?
Originally posted by WheelyIts called reverse discrimination and its just as bad any other form of discrimination. To say that a certain number of people have to get into a particular college because of their skin pigmentation level or ethnic heritage is just plain stupidity.
what about it?
Assomeone once said, he judged people by the content of their character, not the color of their skin
Originally posted by gmetricI disapprove of discrimination wherever it comes from though can see a small and limited case for positive discrimination in some places.
Presumably you disapprove of it since it applies to groups?
However, that isn't the question and perhaps you should create a new thread to express your concerns.
Originally posted by WheelyWhat then is the question if not a discussion about discrimination?
I disapprove of discrimination wherever it comes from though can see a small and limited case for positive discrimination in some places.
However, that isn't the question and perhaps you should create a new thread to express your concerns.
You did not originally suggest that it had good and bad forms which should be dealt with in separate threads.
Originally posted by WheelyI see I need to add a third word to my list of "mitigating forms", those words used just after naming a bad thing, in order to justify it. The words are now, BUT, HOWEVER, and THOUGH. You guys know the drill, right? 9/11 was awful, BUT.... Or, starving the dog for atr's sake is horrible, HOWEVER. Now we can add, Discrimination in all forms is a terrible thing, THOUGH....
I disapprove of discrimination wherever it comes from though can see a small and limited case for positive discrimination in some places.
However, that isn't the question and perhaps you should create a new thread to express your concerns.
Originally posted by gmetricThe question specifically asks if people agree that discrimination against anyone, based on anything at all is potentially destructive to all. At least something like that.
What then is the question if not a discussion about discrimination?
You did not originally suggest that it had good and bad forms which should be dealt with in separate threads.
Originally posted by PinkFloydI didn't say I approve of positive discrimination, I said I could see the argument for it in some cases.
I see I need to add a third word to my list of "mitigating forms", those words used just after naming a bad thing, in order to justify it. The words are now, BUT, HOWEVER, and THOUGH. You guys know the drill, right? 9/11 was awful, BUT.... Or, starving the dog for atr's sake is horrible, HOWEVER. Now we can add, Discrimination in all forms is a terrible thing, THOUGH....
EDIT: It's very easy to avoid being accurate with what you read or hear if that's what you want to do.
I also agree with DSR, about discrimination needing new points of reference...it's just too widely encompassing a term.
Let me give you an example that may find more common ground.
Think of how your Father treated you.
If you were lucky enough to have a great Dad who only ever enthused, motivated and believed in you, then I'm truly happy for you...and your Dad.....you are both blessed.
Really, I'm not being sarcastic here.
But, if you are like a great many others (the majority, even?), in that this pinnacle was not achieved, then you'll know a thing or two about being a victim of discrimination, distrust, and, going hand-in-hand, rejection...and you will also know that it is very destructive.
To go back to the original post, and question, should we pay attention to, or ignore the quote...?....my answer is a very strong "pay attention".
(Just realised a female's experience with "Dad" will be different to a male's experience...please excuse the discrimination in this respect 🙂)