30 Dec 07
Originally posted by shavixmirI'd say music inspired by drugs is more likely to affect people who
The old "legalisation" versus "Criminalisation" has been debated to hangover, so let's look at it from a different point of view.
The title should read: Do people using various drugs create better art than people who don't use drugs?
Which is obviously too long for a proper title.
Let me use modern music as an example.
Nearly every great album w ...[text shortened]... a case for allowing artists to use drugs, because they're then generally better?
have had some drug experiences (which is most of us).
So although we may imagine the music to be better, it is more likely
that we just understand it better.
I don't know about you but any artistic work I've done on drugs
didn't look so great the next day.
30 Dec 07
Originally posted by Thequ1ckYou are so absolutely right with this one. There is nothing worse than working through the night having strategic breaks to 'recalibrate your ears' to excitedly mix down some 'pure gold' only to find that after a short sleep in the cold light of day that brilliant effort always manages to sound at best like some vaguely disconnected piece of pompous shiiite.
I don't know about you but any artistic work I've done on drugs
didn't look so great the next day.
The bit that was always hard to swallow was that great music sounded good when you pressed play, regardless of whether you were tuned in or not, yet your own music created with atmospheric enhancement always sucked when sober. I don't know anything more true in music than that.
30 Dec 07
Originally posted by badmoonThat's heavy drug use. There may be some truth in drugs hampering technical ability, but that's one of the many parts of the whole that makes music.
Charilie Parker's heroin abuse led to his decline and demise. Miles's music suffered some when he was using. Coltrane became much better after soboring up. It seems that for jazz and blues drugs were an inhibitor. With rock you can get away with it because it's easier to play.
30 Dec 07
Originally posted by Thequ1ckAs long as you're not wasted I find a small amount of intoxication always helps, especially if you're jamming with other people.
I'd say music inspired by drugs is more likely to affect people who
have had some drug experiences (which is most of us).
So although we may imagine the music to be better, it is more likely
that we just understand it better.
I don't know about you but any artistic work I've done on drugs
didn't look so great the next day.
31 Dec 07
Originally posted by mrstabbyThe ability to fall into someone else's groove quickly is probably why most musos have a stash (for creative purposes only LOL) but its also true that if you have a setup that allows you to have the record button almost permanently on ( so that people are relaxed about laying down their stuff) then while it may really seem to work during a jam, and while you may feel that you have participated in creating something special, a review of the material at a later date almost always proves to be disappointing.
As long as you're not wasted I find a small amount of intoxication always helps, especially if you're jamming with other people.
You may find you have the basis for a few good ideas, but in general I think you need someone in the room that is 100% sober and who has the authority/influence over the 'band' to direct them down a pathway or in a direction, that in their oneness of being may not actually be able to discern as being the attitude or groove that might actually represent something that is special or unique.
For example, if classically trained George Martin(himself sober but who tolerated the boys 'indulgence'😉 had not been present at the Abbey Road Studios to supervise and produce the Beatles, I don't think that they would ever have achieved as much acclaim or have endured in our memories for as long as they have.
31 Dec 07
Originally posted by kmax87We (a collective of around 15-20 musicians who drift in or out, not exactly a band) record pretty much every jam we do when, er, creatively intoxicated... We're usually quite happy with what we've done the day after; mostly it's quite pleasant, others we really hit on something or gel perfectly. Then again we do this at least once a week as well as having our other bands, some of us for years now.
The ability to fall into someone else's groove quickly is probably why most musos have a stash (for creative purposes only LOL) but its also true that if you have a setup that allows you to have the record button almost permanently on ( so that people are relaxed about laying down their stuff) then while it may really seem to work during a jam, and while you ...[text shortened]... er have achieved as much acclaim or have endured in our memories for as long as they have.
Structuring and presenting ideas for the market is definitely a job for the sober, I agree there, but that happens afterwards. Commercially viable stuff doesn't need drugs in the creative process, but it's nowhere near as musical or mentally engaging. It draws on the jammed out stuff, but it's a bit watered down.
31 Dec 07
Originally posted by mrstabbyIf you are lucky enough to be with a group that shares a continuity of playing experience over a few years then you probably could get away with it. My experience has been influenced by being involved in a project where the concept had been to create original ideas that could be produced/demoed into a publishing deal. When some of the guys got together with older friends to jam or just do a gig, I would probably say that for no other reason that it made everyone relax, the music produced was 'better' when atmospherically charged. But then the music being played was a well known quantity that had been explored many times before.
We (a collective of around 15-20 musicians who drift in or out, not exactly a band) record pretty much every jam we do when, er, creatively intoxicated... We're usually quite happy with what we've done the day after; mostly it's quite pleasant, others we really hit on something or gel perfectly. Then again we do this at least once a week as well as having ...[text shortened]... ical or mentally engaging. It draws on the jammed out stuff, but it's a bit watered down.
The creative songwriting project involved people who had not had that playing history, and I think being intoxicated hindered our progress more than any benefit or 'feel' it may have given us.
