16 Jan 23
@metal-brain saidYou really don’t understand it? Or are you just acting like you don’t comprehend the problem?
Some birds have died from the disease itself, but the vast majority are being culled through flock "depopulation," to try to stop the virus from spreading. That includes millions of chickens and turkeys in barns and backyards that had been raised to provide eggs or meat.
Killing off chickens just because they "might" be infected prevents chickens from evolving immunity ...[text shortened]... t is the only practical long term solution. Culling the whole herd prevents that long term solution.
H5N1 is probably the bird influenza you’re referring to. It almost always kills chickens and turkeys.
So, if a flock (or is it a coup? ) is infected, they’re probably all going to die anyways. So, the maga of chickens is preventively destroyed to minimize further transmission.
Now, is there any reason on Earth you can think of, why lowering transmission numbers might be a good thing?
Anything? Any reason at all??
16 Jan 23
@shavixmir saidAs I already said (you ignored) wild birds already are spreading it around. The cat is out of the bag. You cannot put the crap back in the horse.
You really don’t understand it? Or are you just acting like you don’t comprehend the problem?
H5N1 is probably the bird influenza you’re referring to. It almost always kills chickens and turkeys.
So, if a flock (or is it a coup? ) is infected, they’re probably all going to die anyways. So, the maga of chickens is preventively destroyed to minimize further transmission. ...[text shortened]... think of, why lowering transmission numbers might be a good thing?
Anything? Any reason at all??
You are promoting a policy of killing all of the chickens instead of allowing the avian flu resistant chickens to reproduce and evolve a resistance to avian flu. What you are supporting is a flawed policy of preventing a long term solution for a short term goal that is more than likely unattainable. Wild birds have avian flu too. DUH!
Are you going to exterminate wild birds too? Are you supporting driving wild ducks extinct? Do you have any idea how many duck droppings you can find in fields in Alpena MI? Ducks like to rest after flying over the great lakes. What is your solution for that?
@metal-brain saidYes. Wild birds if caught with avian flu are exterminated as well.
As I already said (you ignored) wild birds already are spreading it around. The cat is out of the bag. You cannot put the crap back in the horse.
You are promoting a policy of killing all of the chickens instead of allowing the avian flu resistant chickens to reproduce and evolve a resistance to avian flu. What you are supporting is a flawed policy of preventing a lon ...[text shortened]... in Alpena MI? Ducks like to rest after flying over the great lakes. What is your solution for that?
16 Jan 23
@shavixmir saidYou cannot catch them all. That is the whole point. It is already in the wild bird population. Anywhere they crap they can infect domesticated birds. Are you going to quarantine the entire town of Alpena MI because of duck droppings?
Yes. Wild birds if caught with avian flu are exterminated as well.
The proper policy would be to breed the survivors of avian flu so you have genetically resistant chickens and turkeys. Killing the whole flock is stupid. Some will survive if they are fed well. Would you kill all elm trees in Michigan because of Dutch Elm Disease? Does that make sense?
16 Jan 23
@shavixmir
Metal head has this underlying assumption: That he is THE most intelligent human, well ALLEGED human, on the planet and will go to great lengths to 'prove' it.
17 Jan 23
@metal-brain saidThere are hardly any survivors (chickens and turkeys) from avian flu.
You cannot catch them all. That is the whole point. It is already in the wild bird population. Anywhere they crap they can infect domesticated birds. Are you going to quarantine the entire town of Alpena MI because of duck droppings?
The proper policy would be to breed the survivors of avian flu so you have genetically resistant chickens and turkeys. Killing the whole ...[text shortened]... d well. Would you kill all elm trees in Michigan because of Dutch Elm Disease? Does that make sense?
And by letting it run rampant, it spreads faster and further. Wild birds come into contact with millions instead of a handful of contaminated chickens, then go on to come into contact with uncontaminated chickens, etc.
Now, the more a flu-like virus spreads… the more it… mutates… that’s right. Glad you’ve been been paying attention the last few years, I do believe this exact little detail has been mentioned a few times in a couple of news reports…
Now, is the world waiting for a next zoological flu-like virus to mutate and infect humans? Do you think?
Now, darling, let go of all pre-conceived ideas you have about avian flu and ponder what I’ve just written in combination with flocks being wiped out.
That is why. It’s not rocket science.
17 Jan 23
@metal-brain saidYou still have no life, huh ?
@sonhouse
You flatter me.
If that is a form of flattery to you, well ......... never mind.
17 Jan 23
@shavixmir saidBut there are survivors. You don't think they have earned the right to reproduce so we have more survivors? You are condoning a policy that keeps chickens susceptible to avian flu death instead of resistance.
There are hardly any survivors (chickens and turkeys) from avian flu.
And by letting it run rampant, it spreads faster and further. Wild birds come into contact with millions instead of a handful of contaminated chickens, then go on to come into contact with uncontaminated chickens, etc.
Now, the more a flu-like virus spreads… the more it… mutates… that’s right. Glad yo ...[text shortened]... ve just written in combination with flocks being wiped out.
That is why. It’s not rocket science.
What is wrong with putting a farm in quarantine so the survivors can be bred to survive avian flu more with each generation? If that is not done and avian flu cannot be contained (like covid couldn't) you will be insuring a chicken virus holocaust that will take years to recover from and guess how that will have to be done? The very thing I have suggested.
You are going to set back chicken population recovery needlessly for years and have to do what I suggested anyway....after it is too late. If keeping avian flu contained in a big farm is not possible why is gain of function research being done in hundreds of US run labs all over the world? To suggest people can do the latter and not the former is contradictory to the point of stupidity.
You need to let natural selection take it's course sooner or later somewhere. Where do you suggest it be done? Plum island? Just in case it will not be able to be contained you don't want to "put all of your eggs in the same basket", do you?
17 Jan 23
@metal-brain saidSee my previous answers.
But there are survivors. You don't think they have earned the right to reproduce so we have more survivors? You are condoning a policy that keeps chickens susceptible to avian flu death instead of resistance.
What is wrong with putting a farm in quarantine so the survivors can be bred to survive avian flu more with each generation? If that is not done and avian flu ca ...[text shortened]... ill not be able to be contained you don't want to "put all of your eggs in the same basket", do you?
18 Jan 23
@shavixmir saidYour previous answers are based on the assumption avian flu can be contained. If you fail where is your plan B? Chickens need to be selectively bred to survive avian flu. Waiting to find out you will fail will make things worse.
See my previous answers.
Ebola patients were brought to the USA and quarantined. Do you have a logical reason that a chicken barn cannot be quarantined to contain avian flu? Do you have a logical reason that a chickens cannot be transported to plum island safely?
23 Jan 23
"Contrary to industry narratives, the increase in the price of eggs has not been an 'act of God,'" says Farm Action. "It has been simple profiteering."
https://www.commondreams.org/news/egg-price-gouging-ftc
This is the question I want an answer to. If the shortage has been artificially created where are the eggs going to that they are not selling? Hens cannot just stop laying eggs. Even if the eggs are frozen they have to be sold eventually. Are they being exported to other countries? I wonder what egg prices are in every country in the world right now.