@metal-brain saidTo repeat:
They did not damage HRC's campaign. It was damaging to DWS and despite Shultz's being damaged goods after resigning from the DNC in disgrace HRC still hired DWS to work on her campaign.
HRC damaged herself by hiring DWS to work on her campaign. That was a self inflicted wound. It is pretty lame of you to blame foreign actors for HRC rewarding the loyalty of DWS knowi ...[text shortened]... have not presented a single damaging e-mail to HRC except illegal stuff you seem to want to condone.
if you can't see the difference between a person working for the DNC Committee "meddling" in a US election and the Russian government doing so, then you are truly stupider than I thought possible.
Your uniformed political analysis aside, the stolen e-mails revealed information that was detrimental to HRC's campaign and were meant to damage it by those who stole them (the Russian government) and those who released them (Wikileaks). Just like George Papadopoulos was told in April of 2016.
@no1marauder saidWhat difference does it make who is election meddling? Is there good election meddling? That must be it. You think DWS was a good election meddler. Furthermore, you are offended that someone snitched on a good election meddler like DWS. Good election meddling must be covered up and hidden. That is what you believe, isn't it?
To repeat:
if you can't see the difference between a person working for the DNC Committee "meddling" in a US election and the Russian government doing so, then you are truly stupider than I thought possible.
Your uniformed political analysis aside, the stolen e-mails revealed information that was detrimental to HRC's campaign and were meant to damage it by those who ...[text shortened]... t) and those who released them (Wikileaks). Just like George Papadopoulos was told in April of 2016.
@metal-brain saidI don't think that what DWS did was "meddling" at all. But even assuming it was, the law doesn't ban a member of the DNC Committee having a preference for one candidate over the other.
What difference does it make who is election meddling? Is there good election meddling? That must be it. You think DWS was a good election meddler. Furthermore, you are offended that someone snitched on a good election meddler like DWS. Good election meddling must be covered up and hidden. That is what you believe, isn't it?
However, it surely bans foreign governments from interfering in our elections by stealing materials from one of our political parties.
You really can't grasp the difference?
I am offended that a foreign government stole materials from a political party and then arranged for those materials to be leaked when they though it would be most advantageous for one political party and damaging to another. I'm amazed any American wouldn't be.
Any Democratic voter who paid any attention to the election knew the DNC hierarchy preferred HRC; Sanders ran as a party outsider. Your equating of DWS' preference for HRC as somehow equal to a foreign government's blatant interference with a US election is loony.
"On or about April 26, 2016, defendant PAPADOPOULOS met the Professor for breakfast at a London hotel. During this meeting, the Professor told defendant PAPADOPOULOS that he had just returned from a trip to Moscow where he had met with high level Russian government officials. The Professor told defendant PAPADOPOULOS that on that trip he (the Professor) learned that the Russians had obtained "dirt" on then-candidate
Clinton. The Professor told defendant PAPADOPOULOS, as defendant PAPADOPOULOS
later described to the FBI, that "They [the Russians] have dirt on her"; "the Russians had emails of Clinton"; "they have thousands of emails."
https://www.justice.gov/file/1007346/download pp. 6-7
So Mifsud got his info from " high level Russian government officials." And by some amazing coincidence, thousands of DNC and HRC Campaign e-mails were released!
@no1marauder saidIf it wasn't meddling why did DWS resign in disgrace?
I don't think that what DWS did was "meddling" at all. But even assuming it was, the law doesn't ban a member of the DNC Committee having a preference for one candidate over the other.
However, it surely bans foreign governments from interfering in our elections by stealing materials from one of our political parties.
You really can't grasp the difference?
I am off ...[text shortened]... for HRC as somehow equal to a foreign government's blatant interference with a US election is loony.
"I am offended that a foreign government stole materials from a political party and then arranged for those materials to be leaked when they though it would be most advantageous for one political party and damaging to another"
That is what the CIA did in the USSR to get Yeltsin elected. It worked. They got him in. Are you offended by that or is that good election meddling you happily condone?
@no1marauder saidThere were no emails that had dirt on HRC.
"On or about April 26, 2016, defendant PAPADOPOULOS met the Professor for breakfast at a London hotel. During this meeting, the Professor told defendant PAPADOPOULOS that he had just returned from a trip to Moscow where he had met with high level Russian government officials. The Professor told defendant PAPADOPOULOS that on that trip he (the Professor) learned tha ...[text shortened]... fficials." And by some amazing coincidence, thousands of DNC and HRC Campaign e-mails were released!
You still have not provided a single example.
@metal-brain saidAnd here I thought I was winnowing you out.
Stop being paranoid. You are creeping me out.
Russia never made it a secret they didn't like HRC. That proves nothing. She is a war monger who wanted to shoot down Russian planes over Syria. Of course Russia had no love for her.
I don't like her either. Don't like Bill. Don't like Trump either, but there is no evidence he colluded with Russia. The DNC had ties to that Russian lawyer too.
Nobody here likes the Clintons. I feel sorry for their unfortunate daughter.
But here is the problem with Russia, and please feel free to report this back to your handlers: At the moment it has only one single point of failure, and that is Putin. J/K, that isn't the problem.
"Russia" -- which currently means the so-called Russian Federation -- is overdue for another revolution. Sure, I'd be happy if the Federation became a real Federation of independent states and maybe even city-states, e.g., let Odessa be Odessa!
And it would be cool to see what ethnic and cultural Russians could offer the world if they did not always have to be careful what they said, as they still do now just as in the tsarist and soviet days.
But not for the sake of weakening "Russia" so that it could be invaded -- only so that the people in the various territories could live their own lives in their own ways, perhaps to the benefit of others.
@kevin-eleven said"J/K, that isn't the problem."
And here I thought I was winnowing you out.
Nobody here likes the Clintons. I feel sorry for their unfortunate daughter.
But here is the problem with Russia, and please feel free to report this back to your handlers: At the moment it has only one single point of failure, and that is Putin. J/K, that isn't the problem.
"Russia" -- which currently means the so-cal ...[text shortened]... various territories could live their own lives in their own ways, perhaps to the benefit of others.
I have no idea what J/K is. Make some sense and we can talk.
@metal-brain saidWhat would be the motivation for taking a pile of official government documents and shoving them down the toilet?
There were no emails that had dirt on HRC.
You still have not provided a single example.
@wildgrass saidBeing pursued by an group of deep state traitors involved in a criminal conspiracy to undermine a duly elected President?
What would be the motivation for taking a pile of official government documents and shoving them down the toilet?
@sleepyguy saidQuick! Flush the evidence that we're not doing anything wrong?
Being pursued by an group of deep state traitors involved in a criminal conspiracy to undermine a duly elected President?
@kevin-eleven saidYa' think?
It's clear that you are part of the Russian disinformation campaign against the West.
Good thing Mr. Putin only pays you with a free subscription to his tea-club membership, because you are not very good at what you seem to attempt.
Furthermore, as a former Michigander (the cuff of the Mitten, not the Upper Peninsula), I am as disappointed for Michigan as I am for Russia.
ZEROHEDGE
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-15/us-accuses-financial-website-of-spreading-russian-propaganda
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-intelligence-accuses-influential-conservative-website-of-spreading-russian-propaganda-report/ar-AATTyOo
@no1marauder saidDidn't Michael Flynn lead guilty, TWICE?
Jesus Christ, what Papadopoulos heard has been established to have been true and it doesn't matter how many times you lie and call it a "false rumor".
Numerous Trump campaign officials and associates lied about their contacts with Russians (including Papadopoulos). Some were convicted of doing so, some were given pardons by Trump for doing so.
@Metal-Brain
FACTS NEVER matter to the likes of you, your brain really is made of metal, and silicon just does not make good brains.
@Sleepyguy
You mean the duly elected BIDEN.
Trump FUKKING LOST BY MILLIONS OF VOTES so don't pull the OBVIOUS FRAUD BULLSHYTE.