25 May 06
Originally posted by PalynkaOh? You really do believe I may have a problem myself with fantasies? Ok? I guess I can see that. But no. I don't.
No, (I think) dottewell actually thinks you should see a shrink.
But it was again not supposed to be about me. How can everyone miss my point all the time? I must be the worst friggin writer in the whole world.
25 May 06
Originally posted by stockenAs for this thread, I disagree with the core of your argument quoted here.
I claim that the nature of a fantasy is not really relevant, but how the person having the fantasy feels about it, and then how (s)he's handling it. That's the debating issue.
There are many types of fantasies and I cannot think how someone can be normal if he repeatedly fantasizes about dismembering little children. That just can't be normal and I don't see how that will help him to cope with his normal life.
So, yes, I think that the nature of fantasies are relevant depending on the degree and extent of such fantasies. Since I'm not a shrink I can't tell you where to draw the line and I'm sure that even for professionals there are grey areas.
25 May 06
Originally posted by stockenHow do you know? How do you expect us to know? Do you think someone who does have a problem will realize it immediately?
Oh? You really do believe I may have a problem myself with fantasies? Ok? I guess I can see that. But no. I don't.
But it was again not supposed to be about me. How can everyone miss my point all the time? I must be the worst friggin writer in the whole world.
I'm just saying that since you feel it is important to talk about it, then it is an important issue for you. And an issue that none of us in this forum can help you with.
So, please don't take my suggestion as an accusation, I gave my honest opinion already and it was more in your defence BUT what do I know?
25 May 06
Originally posted by dottewellI used to fantasize about rape. Real rape. Not any more...but I still like sex and have fantasies in which I am dominant. I do however fantasize about young girls as young as maybe 11ish and sometimes younger. It's very common among men and I am not ashamed of it. However I won't do it.
Do not tell me what I was talking about. I was completely clear. No one, other than the mentally ill, fantasise about anything like actual rape.
Do you know anyone who has been raped? Can you try to understand what they go through?
Please, take this discussion to your private forum. It's actually becoming quite revolting now.
25 May 06
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Originally posted by PalynkaNo, the thread is not about me. And no, I'm not taking it as an accusation. I know I don't have a problem because I've had this rape fantasy since way back (on and off, it's not something I think about all the time) and I've still not actually raped anyone (roleplay with the secret word, yes, but no rape). I'm not even tempted.
I'm just saying that since you feel it is important to talk about it, then it is an important issue for you. And an issue that none of us in this forum can help you with.
So, this is not really important for me the way you seem to think. I think the subject is interesting and I want to hear others speak on the matter. But sexual fantasies is perhaps, as they say, one of the last taboos and therefore not something we share easily, in the open. Then I thought, well, what if we discuss the topic as such (and not the actual fantasies), but you people seem to be stuck on what I said about my rape fantasy.
The reason it's not a problem for me is that I'm quite open about sex (at least I think that's the reason). It's nothing taboo to me. The distinction between fantasy and reality is quite clear. When one involved party is somehow damaged (emotionally or physically) then it's something that shouldn't leave the fantasy world. Otherwise, anything goes. And this is true about any fantasy. Not just sexual ones.
Edit: Then again. You'd think that's just common sense. 🙂
25 May 06
Originally posted by stockenYa know…why don’t you just go out and pay someone discretely to smack you around or someone who can help you feel like a man by letting you do it to them….. or…… subscribe to some bent online forums for sexual deviants and siktards more like yourself and quit crapping up a forum that minors tend to visit and partake in.
No, the thread is not about me. And no, I'm not taking it as an accusation. I know I don't have a problem because I've had this rape fantasy since way back (on and off, it's not something I think about all the time) and I've still not actually raped anyone (roleplay with the secret word, yes, but no rape). I'm not even tempted.
So, this is not really imp ...[text shortened]... ot just sexual ones.
Edit: Then again. You'd think that's just common sense. 🙂
You should be beaten with a stick and run outa town! JackA$$!
RTh
25 May 06
Originally posted by AThousandYoungYes those common men are called PEDOPHILES!
I do however fantasize about young girls as young as maybe 11ish and sometimes younger. It's very common among men and I am not ashamed of it. However I won't do it.
You know what quit telling us your kiddy fantasies. You need a doctor or something.
RTh
25 May 06
Originally posted by RingtailhunterIt's built into our genes dude. The changes associated with puberty signal to the eye that a woman is ready to mate. I'm not recommending people go out and have sex with 11 year olds.
Yes those common men are called PEDOPHILES!
You know what quit telling us your kiddy fantasies. You need a doctor or something.
RTh
25 May 06
Originally posted by AThousandYoungI would really like you to repeat that in a bar or somethin. If you are attracted to young children...and as you have stated sometimes even younger than 11, I think you may have an issue that may require medication, counciling or both.
It's built into our genes dude. The changes associated with puberty signal to the eye that a woman is ready to mate. I'm not recommending people go out and have sex with 11 year olds.
RTh
25 May 06
Originally posted by stockenStocken,
My fantasies of rape, as explained in another thread, is really not something I mixup with reality. It's a woman whom after the initial force begins to enjoy herself and have fun, simply because I'm an incredible lover. I am not a sick person, so I do realise that such a fantasy is mere... fantasy. Nothing that can happen in real life simply because if a wom ...[text shortened]... stroy yet another thread on a subject they can't handle.
Never mind. I give up again. 😞
Firstly, it takes some degree of courage to post this kind of fantasy in public so I applaud you for this even though I find it disturbing.
I would say that if a fantasy involves the hurting, physically or mentally of anyone and that is an important aspect of the fantasy then something is wrong.
What bothers me about your fantasy, as discussed here, is that it seems to be about being recognized as a great lover but the women has to be forced to recognize this. There are other situations in which a women may have sex where she is pretty ambivalent towards it initially which you could use and yet you choose a situation where you must over power and then force sex on her.
I would ask yourself how important is that initial trauma in your fantasy rape and if it is important then I think you would need to investigate why.
25 May 06
Originally posted by AThousandYoungWow! I didn't know that was common among men.
I used to fantasize about rape. Real rape. Not any more...but I still like sex and have fantasies in which I am dominant. I do however fantasize about young girls as young as maybe 11ish and sometimes younger. It's very common among men and I am not ashamed of it. However I won't do it.
Are you sure about this or just assuming. I ask because I genuinely can't understand how anybody can be aroused by an 11 year old or by raping someone.
Try as I might, that just doesn't work for me.
25 May 06
Originally posted by stockenYou keep saying that you want to discuss your views, not your case and yet you answered the posts which were about you. The second one from the top on page 2 was about your views and yet you didn't comment on them.
No, the thread is not about me. And no, I'm not taking it as an accusation. I know I don't have a problem because I've had this rape fantasy since way back (on and off, it's not something I think about all the time) and I've still not actually raped anyone (roleplay with the secret word, yes, but no rape). I'm not even tempted.
So, this is not really imp ...[text shortened]... ot just sexual ones.
Edit: Then again. You'd think that's just common sense. 🙂
25 May 06
Originally posted by PalynkaYes, I obviously went about this wrong. I wanted to get this "make it about the poster not the subject" mentality out of the way before continuing. Seems I only made some of you even more disturbed. 😕
You keep saying that you want to discuss your views, not your case and yet you answered the posts which were about you. The second one from the top on page 2 was about your views and yet you didn't comment on them.
Well, let's move on then. You made the good point about how if he repreatedly fantasises about dismembering little children there's a problem. I still maintain the problem only exists if he's drifting into category B (that is, he wants to actually commit the crime). From the article linked to:
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We know the dangers of denial, and we understand the importance of accepting even the less-than-perfect parts of ourselves. Yet in a culture obsessed with, and increasingly defined by, stories of psychological dysfunction, and in a century punctuated with premeditated atrocity, some of what our own brains conjure up still has the power to terrify us. "For a lot of people, it's like discovering they have an animal inside them," says University of Washington sociologist Pepper Schwartz, Ph.D., who studies sexuality and sexual fantasies. "Oftentimes the feeling is 'My God! Am I one of those weirdos you read about in the paper?'"
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I'm saying, no. He's not one of those weirdos he read about in the paper. He's perfectly healthy psychologically for actually recognising he has those thoughts, and for reacting the way he does to them. Admitting openly that one has darker sides (as does all humans I would say even though some people don't recognise them) is not the same as acting on them. We learn to supress such instincts from a young age, and I wonder if that's really the way to go. Doesn't that in fact encourage people to go over the edge and eventually get all wrapped up in their darker selfs? Isn't it better to readily admit that disturbing thoughts do surface every now and then and as long as you can keep a clear separation between those impulses and real life, there's really no problem?
