For wildgrass - Twitter censorship examples

@metal-brain said
The WP said covid vaccines do not prevent spread. Why didn't they get banned? They banned other people for saying that on youtube. Not sure about Twitter, but it would not surprise me if they did it too.

https://rumble.com/vv5aje-natural-immunity-to-covid-works-washington-post-admits.html

Is Bezos getting special treatment while others are being banned for it? Sure looks like it.

They do not ban lots of accounts, including many that spread obvious disinformation.

Also, they do ban left-wing accounts as well. It's a false narrative to suggest they are banning specific viewpoints, because in this example ivermectin-promoting accounts are rampant on twitter. They banned this one specific account, but I don't think it's because they LOVE ivermectin.

It's also a false narrative that vaccine skepticism and ivermectin are right wing ideology.

@wildgrass said
They do not ban lots of accounts, including many that spread obvious disinformation.

Also, they do ban left-wing accounts as well. It's a false narrative to suggest they are banning specific viewpoints, unless those 'viewpoints' are demonstrably false.

It's also a false narrative that vaccine skepticism and ivermectin are right wing ideology.

I don't agree.
Most, if not all, anti-vax and
ivermectin propaganda are advanced
by right-wing pundits.

@jimm619 said
I don't agree.
Most, if not all, anti-vax and
ivermectin propaganda are advanced
by right-wing pundits.

Advanced by right wing pundits does not mean it is right wing ideology. Most right wing pundits just write whatever they think Trump will agree with.

My mother in law is a super lefty and she has been anti-vax for 50 years (at least).

@wildgrass said
Advanced by right wing pundits does not mean it is right wing ideology.

My mother in law is a super lefty and she has been anti-vax for 50 years (at least).

That, you know, is not evidence.
I would venture a guess that 90% of
anti-vaxxers are rightist politically/.
..........As I searched for a link to back up my
90% belief, I must admit, there is a really mixed
bag of anti-vaxxers although, as we agreed,
the major talking heads of anti-vax are righties.

@jimm619 said
That, you know, is not evidence.
I would venture a guess that 90% of
anti-vaxxers are rightist politically/.
..........As I searched for a link to back up my
90% belief, I must admit, there is a really mixed
bag of anti-vaxxers although, as we agreed,
the major talking heads of anti-vax are righties.

Yes, but vaccine skepticism and ivermectin is not part of right wing ideology. It just seems that way because it's a talking point on the TV shows they watch.

@metal-brain said
Eating peanuts and aspirin has lead to death. Stop being a drama queen. Stupid people die from all sorts of things. Does that make the drug they overdosed on bad?
Ivemectin is safer than Tylenol.

Stupid people poisoned themselves listening to a stupid president promote a drug that had not been (and still isn't) FDA approved.

Stop making excuses for your misinformation.

@wildgrass said
Yes, but vaccine skepticism and ivermectin is not part of right wing ideology. It just seems that way because it's a talking point on the TV shows they watch.

Anti-vax is not left or right, it's the kooky, conspiracy nut edges of both. The problem is rhat the right in the USA is kooky and nuts compared to the right in normal countries. What is present, but only as fringe nutcasery with us, is the new average for your right.

@vivify said
Stupid people poisoned themselves listening to a stupid president promote a drug that had not been (and still isn't) FDA approved.

Stop making excuses for your misinformation.

It is FDA approved, just not for covid 19. It is a proven safe drug that they don't want you to take. Safer than Tylenol in fact. If it really was ineffective against covid Pfizer would have no problem with people taking it. After all, how could it hurt vaccines sales if people still end up in the hospital?

If you don't want to believe HCQ and ivermectin are ineffective I can live with that. Don't say those FDA approved drugs are unsafe though. That is a lie I cannot condone.

@shallow-blue said
Anti-vax is not left or right, it's the kooky, conspiracy nut edges of both. The problem is rhat the right in the USA is kooky and nuts compared to the right in normal countries. What is present, but only as fringe nutcasery with us, is the new average for your right.

Nobody is anti vax. That is a label that has no basis in reality. I had my children vaccinated when they were babies. Those are real vaccines and we have no problem with those.

Gene vaccines are not real vaccines. They are (so called vaccines) using gene therapy technology.

https://rumble.com/vv43b7-cdc-changes-vaccine-definition-and-calls-it-normal.html

@shallow-blue said
Anti-vax is not left or right, it's the kooky, conspiracy nut edges of both. The problem is rhat the right in the USA is kooky and nuts compared to the right in normal countries. What is present, but only as fringe nutcasery with us, is the new average for your right.

Likewise, suspending a pro-ivermectin account is not evidence that Twitter silences right wing ideologies, as sh76 suggested.

@wildgrass said
Likewise, suspending a pro-ivermectin account is not evidence that Twitter silences right wing ideologies, as sh76 suggested.

Call it right. Call it left. Call it whatever you like. My point in the thread where this came up is that Twitter, as a self-proclaimed platform rather than a publisher, should not be making editorial decisions on issues that are this nuanced. Citing studies that showed that Ivermectin helped is not "misinformation." It may be true that the greater weight of the evidence is that Ivermectin probably doesn't help with COVID, but there surely have been indications that it does. Twitter doesn't censor Eric Ding when he claimed/implied over and over again that Omicron is not milder than Delta even though he was certainly wrong (IMO) or when people defend the (IMO indefensible) viewpoint that boosters are necessary for 20 year old healthy college students. They only censor in one direction: against viewpoints that differ from the Covidian Orthodoxy.

Again, I'm not saying they don't have the legal right to do this, bit I think that makes them a publisher, not a platform, with all the attendant legal consequences.

@wildgrass said
Likewise, suspending a pro-ivermectin account is not evidence that Twitter silences right wing ideologies, as sh76 suggested.

A staple historical viewpoint of liberalism has always been that you fight bad information with better information, not by silencing the speaker of bad information. Why did Leftism abandon this fundamental liberal tenet?

@sh76 said
Call it right. Call it left. Call it whatever you like. My point in the thread where this came up is that Twitter, as a self-proclaimed platform rather than a publisher, should not be making editorial decisions on issues that are this nuanced. Citing studies that showed that Ivermectin helped is not "misinformation." It may be true that the greater weight of the evidence is that ...[text shortened]... bit I think that makes them a publisher, not a platform, with all the attendant legal consequences.

They are banning specific accounts that break their terms of use polices. I agree it's not a left or right issue but you seem to be insisting that they "only ban right wing ideology".

Again, go to Twitter and search for ivermectin. I'm sure you'll find someone else who agrees with you. The subject matter is not banned.

@sh76 said
A staple historical viewpoint of liberalism has always been that you fight bad information with better information, not by silencing the speaker of bad information. Why did Leftism abandon this fundamental liberal tenet?

You've flipped the script on your original fundamentally-unsound premise that social media is only banning right wing ideology. There's lots of examples of leftist accounts on twitter that have been banned for breaking terms of use policies.

@wildgrass said
You've flipped the script on your original fundamentally-unsound premise that social media is only banning right wing ideology. There's lots of examples of leftist accounts on twitter that have been banned for breaking terms of use policies.

Right wing is a red herring.

Give me one example of an Orthodox Covidian post that has been taken down or poster punished for saying things like COVID has a 10% mortality rate, Omicron is as bad a Delta, that myocarditis is not associated with the mRNA vaccines or that COVID is a serious risk to children (all clearly false statements).

Find me one example and I pledge to concede and to not bring up this issue again.