27 Jan 07
Any one against gay rights (including gay marriage) is a bigot. Such a person is guilty of discrimination. I suggest if a person is against gay rights, he should keep his opinion to himself because his is as much as announcing he wants to prevent people from sharing rights that he himself enjoys.
27 Jan 07
Originally posted by 667joeWhat's your debate? That gay marriage opponents should not be allowed to voice their opinion?
Any one against gay rights (including gay marriage) is a bigot. Such a person is guilty of discrimination. I suggest if a person is against gay rights, he should keep his opinion to himself because his is as much as announcing he wants to prevent people from sharing rights that he himself enjoys.
27 Jan 07
Originally posted by MerkI'm still curious to know why people care what/who people have sex with as long as the two of them are consenting adults. And none of this "a study 40 years ago shows that homosexuals are more likely to kill kittens" stuff.
What's your debate? That gay marriage opponents should not be allowed to voice their opinion?
So, while keeping your mouth shut, keep you fingers tapping on that keyboard and explain your position.
27 Jan 07
[Ofcourse people have the right to their opinions and the right to voice them. I am just saying if a person announces he is against gay rights, he is also announcing he is a bigot (and would therefore be better off to keep his mouth shut).
What's your debate? That gay marriage opponents should not be allowed to voice their opinion?
27 Jan 07
Originally posted by CliffLandinI really don't care about gay marriage. It would seem that you want me to have an opinion on the subject. Is that correct?
I'm still curious to know why people care what/who people have sex with as long as the two of them are consenting adults. And none of this "a study 40 years ago shows that homosexuals are more likely to kill kittens" stuff.
So, while keeping your mouth shut, keep you fingers tapping on that keyboard and explain your position.
27 Jan 07
Originally posted by MerkNo, you seem to have a pretty level headed opionion on it. There are others here, from the uk church or gay rights? thread that have a 1950's mentalities that I would like them to defend.
I really don't care about gay marriage. It would seem that you want me to have an opinion on the subject. Is that correct?
27 Jan 07
Originally posted by CliffLandinCliff, you're probably not going to like me for this, but gay marriage is different than a gay couple adopting.
No, you seem to have a pretty level headed opionion on it. There are others here, from the uk church or gay rights? thread that have a 1950's mentalities that I would like them to defend.
Marriage is between only the couple, not the case when a child is introduced. We already know that a mother figure and a father figure are both extremely important to a child. A gay couple is missing one or the other of those figures. We probably need some serious evidence before we as a society decide if negative effects arise from having 2 of one and none of the other before giving it blanket acceptance.
27 Jan 07
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Originally posted by MerkI understand peoples misgivings about gay couples adopting. The concern there is for someone other than consenting adults.
Cliff, you're probably not going to like me for this, but gay marriage is different than a gay couple adopting.
Marriage is between only the couple, not the case when a child is introduced. We already know that a mother figure and a father figure are both extremely important to a child. A gay couple is missing one or the other of those figures. We probably ...[text shortened]... e effects arise from having 2 of one and none of the other before giving it blanket acceptance.
How do you feel about a man that has fathered a child, but then comes out raising his own child? What if the mother is not fit to raise the child? Should that child be put in a foster home or raised by his biological, but gay, father?
27 Jan 07
Originally posted by CliffLandinI'm a firm supporter in the belief that biological parents should raise their children. Foster homes are a last resort and should be saved for times when a childs immediate safety is at stake.
I understand peoples misgivings about gay couples adopting. The concern there is for someone other than consenting adults.
How do you feel about a man that has fathered a child, but then comes out raising his own child? What if the mother is not fit to raise the child? Should that child be put in a foster home or raised by his biological, but gay, father?
Adoption by gays is different than your example, because there are straight couples out there adopting. The decision is which family would be best for the child. Straight or gay. Don't get me wrong, I like sluts as much as anyone, but I don't think its in a girls best interest to grow into a slut and I doubt we as a society want that type of behavior to increase.
27 Jan 07
Originally posted by 667joe"A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own."
Ofcourse people have the right to their opinions and the right to voice them. I am just saying if a person announces he is against gay rights, he is also announcing he is a bigot (and would therefore be better off to keep his mouth shut).
So, how do you feel about pediphiles?
27 Jan 07
Originally posted by CliffLandinSo, a 21 year-old woman and her farther want to have sex, both consenting adults, that should be OK?
I'm still curious to know why people care what/who people have sex with as long as the two of them are consenting adults. And none of this "a study 40 years ago shows that homosexuals are more likely to kill kittens" stuff.
So, while keeping your mouth shut, keep you fingers tapping on that keyboard and explain your position.
27 Jan 07
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Originally posted by Dace Acepeople have to say that either "anything goes" or that only some things "go"? -is there a third option?
So, a 21 year-old woman and her farther want to have sex, both consenting adults, that should be OK?
we've gotta take a broad view so include every conceivable sexual activity.
it seems that if anything is unacceptable then you are discriminating. by the simplistic logic operating in parts of this thread you are therefore a bigot. if we're all bigots, the words "people in glass houses...." spring to mind, so people should cut the word "bigot".
27 Jan 07
Originally posted by eamon oYou got my point exactly, on calling people bigots. We all qualifiy as a bigot in one way or another.
people have to say that either "anything goes" or that only some things "go"? -is there a third option?
we've gotta take a broad view so include every conceivable sexual activity.
it seems that if anything is unacceptable then you are discriminating. by the simplistic logic operating in parts of this thread you are therefore a bigot. if we're all bi ...[text shortened]... ds "people in glass houses...." spring to mind, so people should cut the word "bigot".
As far as sexual activity, we are not debating the extremes, we are just determining where the line in the sand is that defines acceptable and non-acceptable.
28 Jan 07
Originally posted by Dace AceI say that incest is illegal in most countries. I would also warn them that procreation in a relationship as this should be avoided. Then I would move to another barstool.
So, a 21 year-old woman and her farther want to have sex, both consenting adults, that should be OK?