22 May 21
@rajk999 saidThey owned the property since before the Ashkenazi came and occupied the land!
People get evicted from their homes all the time all over the world. Sometimes they cannot pay the mortgage or they cannot pay their rent, or the lease is up Its a normal occurrence. Whats the big deal.
@rajk999 saidPlease, don't pretend this is some simple landlord-tenant dispute like the National Review article did. You know better.
People get evicted from their homes all the time all over the world. Sometimes they cannot pay the mortgage or they cannot pay their rent, or the lease is up Its a normal occurrence. Whats the big deal.
Israel has now settled more than 600,000 Jews in the West Bank and East Jerusalem since the 1967 war despite the fact that these settlements have been declared illegal under international law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement#Occupied_territories
This dispute is just another tip of that iceberg.
22 May 21
@athousandyoung saidA link to a website with some information would be nice. thanks
They owned the property since before the Ashkenazi came and occupied the land!
22 May 21
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheikh_Jarrah_property_dispute
Israel's laws allow Jews to file claims over land in the West Bank and East Jerusalem which they may have owned prior to 1948, but reject Palestinian claims over land in Israel which they owned.
Israel does not honor the natural right to property.
22 May 21
@no1marauder saidOh, you are around. Why not provide some of your knowledge and expertise in the thread I started on this issue? We are after information that will lead to a better understanding of the FACTS. When you can help do so.
Please, don't pretend this is some simple landlord-tenant dispute like the National Review article did. You know better.
@athousandyoung saidMost developed countries dont.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheikh_Jarrah_property_dispute
Israel's laws allow Jews to file claims over land in the West Bank and East Jerusalem which they may have owned prior to 1948, but reject Palestinian claims over land in Israel which they owned.
Israel does not honor the natural right to property.
Living on a property is not equivalent to owning it.
Those are two different things.
You are not presenting the facts accurately.
22 May 21
@rajk999 saidI already did.
Oh, you are around. Why not provide some of your knowledge and expertise in the thread I started on this issue? We are after information that will lead to a better understanding of the FACTS. When you can help do so.
23 May 21
@no1marauder saidThe UN can declare whatever they like. Going back to the borders prior to the Six Day War in 1967 is not an option, mostly because it is the Palestinians and supporting Arab nations that precipitated that war. They got what they deserved.
Please, don't pretend this is some simple landlord-tenant dispute like the National Review article did. You know better.
Israel has now settled more than 600,000 Jews in the West Bank and East Jerusalem since the 1967 war despite the fact that these settlements have been declared illegal under international law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement#Occupied_territories
This dispute is just another tip of that iceberg.
23 May 21
@rajk999 saidA curious and bizarre way to excuse a sneak attack. Like blaming the United States for Pearl Harbor.
The UN can declare whatever they like. Going back to the borders prior to the Six Day War in 1967 is not an option, mostly because it is the Palestinians and supporting Arab nations that precipitated that war. They got what they deserved.
If Israel is unwilling to abide by the UN Charter, it should be expelled from that organization.
23 May 21
@rajk999 saidAnd before you rant how Israel faced imminent annihilation from Arab armies (though not Palestinian ones) even Israel's leaders knew better:
The UN can declare whatever they like. Going back to the borders prior to the Six Day War in 1967 is not an option, mostly because it is the Palestinians and supporting Arab nations that precipitated that war. They got what they deserved.
": “The thesis according to which the danger of genocide hung over us in June 1967, and according to which Israel was fighting for her very physical survival, was nothing but a bluff which was born and bred after the war,” declared Gen. Matituahu Peled, chief of logistical command during the war and one of 12 members of Israel’s General Staff, in March 1972.
A year earlier, Mordechai Bentov, a member of the wartime government and one of 37 people to sign Israel’s Declaration of Independence, had made a similar admission. “This whole story about the threat of extermination was totally contrived, and then elaborated upon, a posteriori, to justify the annexation of new Arab territories,” he said in April 1971.
Even Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, former terrorist and darling of the Israeli far right, conceded in a speech in August 1982 that “in June 1967 we had a choice. The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches did not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.”
https://theintercept.com/2017/06/05/a-50-year-occupation-israels-six-day-war-started-with-a-lie/
23 May 21
@rajk999 saidThanks to the iron dome tech supplied by Americans, barely any actually hit anything. Israel ALWAYS responds disproportionately, hitting civilians for absolute no reason but to keep the conflict going.
You said : No, Israel isn't supposed to bomb any civilians. The fact that you can't grasp that makes you an ashole.
Who is Hamas bombing? Hamas sent over 4,000 rockets indiscriminately into Israel, bombing anything and everything. Israel responds with less than 10% of that, bombing selected areas. But Hamas fires rockets from populated areas. ...[text shortened]... as and Palestinaians want bloodshed. The Jews are right Keep those killers away from decent people.
Hamas is a terrorist organization, it doesn't give a fuk about palestinians. The leaders sit in fancy hotel outside Gaza. Israel is hitting civilians simply as revenge.
"IS HAMAS NOT BOMBING CIVILIANS?"
Well i guess if Hamas, a terrorist organization, is bombing civilians, Israel is justified in bombing civilians too, right?
"Hamans bombs civilians, but the Jews must not bomb civilians"
Yes, exactly. There are other ways of dealing with Hamas. But they would shorten the conflict and Israel doesn't want that. Bombing palestinians does jack to hurt Hamas, on the contrary it gives them recruits and support among the civilians.
"You also want all Jews dead and out of Palestine."
You're a lying sack of manure. I have said no such thing, ever. This is you strawmaning because it's easier to argue when the opponent is a rabid anti-semite instead of offering a complicated position where there are no clear lines of camps.
Israelis deserve to live in peace. Palestinians deserve to leave in peace with equal rights. Hamas is a terrorist organization. Netanyahu is a war criminal and his government is far right. Israelis have given into fear and elected that maniac for the same reason Trump got elected. Israel has been breaking international law because there have been no repercussions and the US makes sure it stays that way.
A fukton of facets to a very complicated problem but your feeble mind can't grasp anything beyond "israelis good, palestinians bad"
23 May 21
The Gaza-based Hamas movement said its actions were a response to the Israeli policy of forced displacement of Palestinians in occupied East Jerusalem and the storming of Al-Aqsa Mosque by Israeli forces last week, followed by Israel missing a Hamas deadline to withdraw its forces from the mosque compound.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/jordanian-king-blames-israel-provoking-palestinians/5745714
If Israel wanted to live in peace they could have. Israel chose death on both sides instead. Netanyahu knew fully well his actions started the conflict. He could have avoided a conflict, yet the US news media keeps repeating the lie that Hamas started it as if it was unavoidable. It was not unavoidable at all.
All Israel had to do is mind their own business and nobody would have been killed. Israel chose this. The assertion that they had no choice is a dirty lie!
23 May 21
@metal-brain saidPEACE ?? - You are mistaken. Israel does not want peace. Israel wants security and safety for its citizens. I hope you understand the difference.
The Gaza-based Hamas movement said its actions were a response to the Israeli policy of forced displacement of Palestinians in occupied East Jerusalem and the storming of Al-Aqsa Mosque by Israeli forces last week, followed by Israel missing a Hamas deadline to withdraw its forces from the mosque compound.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/jordanian-king-blames-israel-prov ...[text shortened]... ody would have been killed. Israel chose this. The assertion that they had no choice is a dirty lie!
23 May 21
@no1marauder saidLet me read up on the history some more. I will reply soon.
And before you rant how Israel faced imminent annihilation from Arab armies (though not Palestinian ones) even Israel's leaders knew better:
": “The thesis according to which the danger of genocide hung over us in June 1967, and according to which Israel was fighting for her very physical survival, was nothing but a bluff which was born and bred after the war,” declare ...[text shortened]...
https://theintercept.com/2017/06/05/a-50-year-occupation-israels-six-day-war-started-with-a-lie/
23 May 21
@zahlanzi saidYour ranting and raving I have no interest in. Just 2 points.
Thanks to the iron dome tech supplied by Americans, barely any actually hit anything. Israel ALWAYS responds disproportionately, hitting civilians for absolute no reason but to keep the conflict going.
Hamas is a terrorist organization, it doesn't give a fuk about palestinians. The leaders sit in fancy hotel outside Gaza. Israel is hitting civilians simply as revenge.
...[text shortened]... mplicated problem but your feeble mind can't grasp anything beyond "israelis good, palestinians bad"
YES. If Hamas fires rockets into Israel, then Israel can and should respond in kind. Its simple rocket science.
YES Hamas has stated clearly two things:
- they want no partition of the land ie they want ALL OF IT [every inch according to their charter]
-they want all the Jews DEAD
Read the Hamas Charter. Its there in black and white.
Now if you want Israel to simply take the rocketfire and suck it up, because they are more powerful then you are like Hamas, you want them dead too.