13 Oct 22
@shavixmir saidTell us one thing that she was wrong about. It may be impossible for you, because you cannot type words like independence, self reliance , personal responsibility, such as that.
You really are as thick as a sack full of bricks, aren’t you.
You don’t know history, you don’t comprehend economics or change. And you can’t see the larger picture of what you’re actually suggesting.
Hence that nowhere in the world is it like you describe. You’re brain’s frozen or something. And all you can do is squirt Ayn Rand tropes out your ears.
She ended up begging for handouts too.
Give it a try.
13 Oct 22
@zahlanzi saidI see here you are OK with free market. Good stuff. As far as children, there are emergency rooms (Government!! Yay!), so what in the hell are you talking about? Are you talking about parents that do not take care of their own children? You might should start a separate thread on that, and I will observe at the point where you jump in and say all of us are responsible for all of our children, the mob-approach. Then, I will start with self reliance and responsibility, and we will see where it goes from there.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/11/health/pediatric-closures-hospitals.html
"Hospitals around the country, from regional medical centers to smaller local facilities are closing down pediatric units. The reason is stark economics: Institutions make more money from adult patients."
I am sure someone will step in and offer pediatric care where it is missing. Eventually. ...[text shortened]... you ask? Well they should find their bootstraps and pick themselves up by them. If they are winners.
You socialists are so dependent that you cannot write a paragraph with govt on your mind. Tell us what you mean by 'what about the kids in the meantime'? I truly would rather you start a clean thread about it.
Libs do not accept the adage 'life is not fair'. You think it should be fair, and waste your days chewing on your pillow about it. You could start by taking care of your own houses.
13 Oct 22
@averagejoe1 said"I see here you are OK with free market."
I see here you are OK with free market. Good stuff. As far as children, there are emergency rooms (Government!! Yay!), so what in the hell are you talking about? Are you talking about parents that do not take care of their own children? You might should start a separate thread on that, and I will observe at the point where you jump in and say all of us are respons ...[text shortened]... waste your days chewing on your pillow about it. You could start by taking care of your own houses.
Swing and a miss. The sarcasm was obvious to everyone. Everyone except you apparently.
"As far as children, there are emergency rooms "
You can kindly go fuk yourself with that heartless, barely even human , comment.
Emergency rooms are for emergencies. If you're dying of cancer you are not in an emergency. If you have a heart attack they will stabilize you enough so you don't die then you make room for someone else with an emergency. But the problem that caused your heart attack still needs to be fixed.
"Are you talking about parents that do not take care of their own children?"
Hope you never have to choose between feeding one of your children or buying insulin (another thing that isn't covered by emergency rooms) for the other, you pile of garbage shaped like a human.
" all of us are responsible for all of our children,"
yes, that is a good responsibility to have. Not paying the salaries of racist murdering pigs in various police departments. Not paying taxes while greedy corporations get tax cuts and bailouts for disasters caused by their greed and irresponsibility. Not supporting another war to bring democracy and freedom to various brown people with oil.
"Then, I will start with self reliance and responsibility"
You aren't self reliant. You aren't responsbile. You just said everyone should in fact pay for all the programs you do like. You are a socialist when it suits you and a randian when someone else needs help.
I am calling you a hypocrite, in case it isn't clear.
"Libs do not accept the adage 'life is not fair'."
Not accepting injustice is a good quality to have. A prick not affected by said injustice or even benefiting from it would say otherwise.
"You think it should be fair, and waste your days chewing on your pillow about it."
Sometimes revolutions get started. When the unfairness reaches a tipping point.
13 Oct 22
@averagejoe1 saidEverything. Nobody is self-sufficient and self reliant. That has been known since the first monkeys started banding together because alone they were lion snacks.
Tell us one thing that she was wrong about. It may be impossible for you, because you cannot type words like independence, self reliance , personal responsibility, such as that.
Give it a try.
Debating Randian philosophy with an ignorant (because he is oblivious to every invisible way he benefits from countless others) simp of hers is boring though.
I would much rather laugh at that deceased ashole's hypocrisy for collecting social security. And laugh at the hoops her simps jump through to justify that hypocrisy.
13 Oct 22
@zahlanzi saidThe social security is her money being given back to her.
Everything. Nobody is self-sufficient and self reliant. That has been known since the first monkeys started banding together because alone they were lion snacks.
Debating Randian philosophy with an ignorant (because he is oblivious to every invisible way he benefits from countless others) simp of hers is boring though.
I would much rather laugh at that deceased ashol ...[text shortened]... ollecting social security. And laugh at the hoops her simps jump through to justify that hypocrisy.
If no one is self sufficient or self reliant, why do those concepts exist? Why are they in the dictionary?. Hey, did you just say you are not self reliant and self sufficient? I am. I make contributions to society, such as for police and road repair. They cover everybody. I might not have a car, for the road, and I might not ever need the police. But it is no different than paying an insurance policy premium . I miss your point.
I think you are saying, in several posts that no one can get rich by themselves. So you are repeating what Obama said. “You didn’t build that”. You are both wrong. The reason I can say that I built it is because I am the only one that took a risk. So that means it was all on me. So you are wrong to say I am a hypocrite or that I am selfish. The word selfish relates to a view from one person to another., but you see, I’m not connected to that person. It’s just my stuff, and it cannot bear a definition of selfishness. And I have every right to the municipality infrastructure, because, I pay for it with my taxes. ad valorem taxes. Sewer taxes sanitation taxes street cleaners, gasoline, taxes.
You, Fellers simply hate success, and want to do everything you can to tear it down.
@zahlanzi saidYou are right, I did not get your sarcasm. It is not easy with liberals, as you interlace snide meanness into many of your comments.
"I see here you are OK with free market."
Swing and a miss. The sarcasm was obvious to everyone. Everyone except you apparently.
"As far as children, there are emergency rooms "
You can kindly go fuk yourself with that heartless, barely even human , comment.
Emergency rooms are for emergencies. If you're dying of cancer you are not in an emergency. If you have a heart ...[text shortened]... r pillow about it."
Sometimes revolutions get started. When the unfairness reaches a tipping point.
As to children, one plans on a family, has health insurance. You can start a thread on that, I will be interested just how far you want us all to go to cover a person who has had poor planning. To take it to your logical conclusion, you would have a man take another man’s children into his house, next-door, if the first man does not have enough room for his too-many children.
Uhh, you know life ain’t fair, don’t you? And what is funny, you think Socialism would solve all the unfairness. You’ve been talking to marauder?
Just highlighting your ludicrous comment, “ And being responsible for all of our children is a good responsibility to have”. Huh? I have one child and you have five, and then we need to average all that out.? Ouch. Can we get someone else to help? Wait…that sounds a little like Socialism to me, which would not be comfortable for any of us, except the guy with the five children. Do you hear yourself?
Edit: In this scenario, what if I work harder than the guy with five children?
As to injustice , I don’t accept injustice either. So I don’t get what you’re saying there.
13 Oct 22
@averagejoe1 [i]said[/May I please highlight the word ‘risk’. I myself live with risk every day, I lose some, I win some. I think basically that liberals who are dependent upon the government don’t even have to think about risk because everything comes free to you. There are trade-offs, of course, which could be the subject of another thread, but my point is I deal with risk and you don’t. That makes us very very different. You see, I could end up, broke tomorrow, but in a socialistic society, you will never be broke. Funny how I think our way is better than your way.
I think you are saying, in several posts that no one can get rich by themselves. So you are repeating what Obama said. “You didn’t build that”. You are both wrong. The reason I can say that I built it is because I am the only one that took a risk. So that means it was all on me.
13 Oct 22
@averagejoe1 saidRationalism.
Tell us one thing that she was wrong about. It may be impossible for you, because you cannot type words like independence, self reliance , personal responsibility, such as that.
Give it a try.
13 Oct 22
@zahlanzi saidYou answered 'everything. Wrong about everything, Zahlanzi? Is that an answer? Sounds like something a deflecting lib would say. Yawn city. And you KNOW she was right about something. Could not be 100% wrong, now, could she.
Everything. Nobody is self-sufficient and self reliant. That has been known since the first monkeys started banding together because alone they were lion snacks.
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13 Oct 22
@averagejoe1 saidYet another all too obvious lie.
May I please highlight the word ‘risk’. I myself live with risk every day
13 Oct 22
@shavixmir saidRationalism is defined as basing opinions and actions on reason and knowledge (imagine that) , rather than on religious belief or emotional response. (oh, help).
Rationalism.
Thanks to Zahlanzi for actually answering a question a thumb up from AvJoe.
Anyone else?
13 Oct 22
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@averagejoe1 saidStop bringing abortions into these arguments.
YOU're losing it Shav. See post above. We have govt services to cover basic need of 'the peeeeoooople', as Marauder likes to call us in Marxist vernacular.
But your post is weak, because it says the obvious, like sewers and police. Shav, what about abortions? I am not pregnant and dont care about those who are, it is their business. So you are facetiously rant ...[text shortened]... are simply elective.
Ahhhhh, of course, AvJoe, I didnt think of it that way.
You're welcome.
We all know you oppose abortions no matter who pays for them.
Because you oppose immoral recreational sex.
You do remember that quote of yours from a while back, don't you ?
13 Oct 22
@mghrn55 saidI do not oppose abortions. I oppose paying for them, it is none of my business. Yes, we all know you think abortions, no problem.
Stop bringing abortions into these arguments.
We all know you oppose abortions no matter who pays for them.
Because you oppose immoral recreational sex.
You do remember that quote of yours from a while back, don't you ?
Yes, thanks for remembering that I do not want to pay for someone else's recreational sex. Why would you fault me for that, for god sakes? Don't get you there. Do you want to pay for my trip to the movie to see Star Wars, my recreation?
I have never said anything about immoral, I don't think sex is immoral. It may have been in our previous society, but now you can do it in the road. Its OK, last I heard.
I am not interested in ever discussing abortion in the Forum. That is 2 of us. I did, however, enjoy cleaning King David's clock by proving when a baby is a baby.....that was not an abortion discussion. It was a scientific question, where someone actually looked to the Bible for the scientific answer. You gotta admit that was fun, especially for me.
14 Oct 22
@averagejoe1 saidNobody is asking you to pay for it.
I do not oppose abortions. I oppose paying for them, it is none of my business. Yes, we all know you think abortions, no problem.
Yes, thanks for remembering that I do not want to pay for someone else's recreational sex. Why would you fault me for that, for god sakes? Don't get you there. Do you want to pay for my trip to the movie to see Star Wars, my recreation? ...[text shortened]... lly looked to the Bible for the scientific answer. You gotta admit that was fun, especially for me.
Anyone who has a private health care should be covered.
Nothing to do with you.
If someone can't afford private health care, then you can start complaining about appendicitis.
I won't get into a discussion when a life is a life.
I'd rather teach my dog string theory.