Debates
02 Oct 21
03 Oct 21
@Eladar
Spoken just like a true traitor to the US.
You should be under arrest along with all your OTHER buddies who attacked the capitol building with the express purpose of killing Pelosi and Pence.
We will NEVER forget, Sept 6 will go down in infamy just like 9-11.
AND we will find out which senator and congressman/woman instigated it.
We KNOW Jim Jordan talked to Trump on the 5th AND the 6th and you can bet it wasn't about getting the national guard in there as soon as possible.
The fact Trump let it go on for 5 hours proves he is a traitor and should be arrested with all the REST of the traitors of that day.
03 Oct 21
@sonhouse saidYou are the Communist, not me.
@Eladar
Spoken just like a true traitor to the US.
You should be under arrest along with all your OTHER buddies who attacked the capitol building with the express purpose of killing Pelosi and Pence.
We will NEVER forget, Sept 6 will go down in infamy just like 9-11.
AND we will find out which senator and congressman/woman instigated it.
We KNOW Jim Jordan talk ...[text shortened]... 5 hours proves he is a traitor and should be arrested with all the REST of the traitors of that day.
@mghrn55 saidI want no leash.
So.......
Between you, averagejoe and eladar, one fact stands out.
Freedom is relative after all.
The battle for our collective freedoms is really a debate over which entity gets to hold the leash.
A longer leash means more freedom.
A shorter leash means less freedom.
But the leash is always there.
But what some of you are constantly yammering on about is really ab ...[text shortened]... the Evangelicals.
But if it's the government, then all hell breaks loose.
That's it. Right ??
You want a vaccine passport under another name. That is the leash. I want no leash at all. The gene vaccines do not stop the spread and may increase the spread since high vaccination rates do not reduce infections.
If you want to save lives reduce the speed limit, become a radical supporter of Medicare for all. That would save millions of lives, especially during a pandemic. Why are you not trying to save lives there? Are those lives unimportant?
03 Oct 21
@metal-brain saidYou are missing my point.
I want no leash.
You want a vaccine passport under another name. That is the leash. I want no leash at all. The gene vaccines do not stop the spread and may increase the spread since high vaccination rates do not reduce infections.
If you want to save lives reduce the speed limit, become a radical supporter of Medicare for all. That would save millions of lives, e ...[text shortened]... pecially during a pandemic. Why are you not trying to save lives there? Are those lives unimportant?
There is always a leash. No leash at all is an illusion.
You can't rob a bank. You can't run a red light.
The ongoing debates revolves around everyone's desire for selective freedoms.
You want your freedoms. I may want mine.
Some of the freedoms I want may not sit well with you.
And some of your freedoms may not sit well with me.
But there is always a leash.
I just found that the biggest grievances are aired when it is suggested that sometimes the government has to hold the leash.
That is my point.
03 Oct 21
@mghrn55 saidYou are missing the point. Coercing vaccinations doesn't protect other people. It only protects the individual who gets vaccinated. Gene vaccine mandates don't give you any freedom at all.
You are missing my point.
There is always a leash. No leash at all is an illusion.
You can't rob a bank. You can't run a red light.
The ongoing debates revolves around everyone's desire for selective freedoms.
You want your freedoms. I may want mine.
Some of the freedoms I want may not sit well with you.
And some of your freedoms may not sit well with me.
But th ...[text shortened]... ired when it is suggested that sometimes the government has to hold the leash.
That is my point.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/08/06/cdc_director_vaccines_no_longer_prevent_you_from_spreading_covid.html#!
03 Oct 21
@metal-brain saidI'm not even addressing your point.
You are missing the point. Coercing vaccinations doesn't protect other people. It only protects the individual who gets vaccinated. Gene vaccine mandates don't give you any freedom at all.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/08/06/cdc_director_vaccines_no_longer_prevent_you_from_spreading_covid.html#!
Talking about anything pandemic with you is tiresome.
The freedoms around the issue is the topic.
Now stop trying to pretend you are contributing to the debate.
And stop posting your links. I've never opened one.
@metal-brain saidGo,Metal. I knew you were salvageable. Unfortunately, you lost them with the words choice and risk. They did, however, feel touchy-feely when you wrote 'protect people'.
"sexually harassed women don't end up in intensive care units, dying of suffocation due to exposure to a virus that has been proven to be deadly"
That is the risk unvaccinated people take. It is their choice. If they die that is on them. You cannot always protect people from themselves. People make all sorts of choices that could endanger their health. Some guys don't wear condoms when doing slutty women. Life is full of risks of all sorts.
03 Oct 21
@metal-brain saidWhat do I want???? To be left the hell alone, and to be charitable for those in need. That is the mantra, plain and simple.
I want no leash.
You want a vaccine passport under another name. That is the leash. I want no leash at all. The gene vaccines do not stop the spread and may increase the spread since high vaccination rates do not reduce infections.
If you want to save lives reduce the speed limit, become a radical supporter of Medicare for all. That would save millions of lives, e ...[text shortened]... pecially during a pandemic. Why are you not trying to save lives there? Are those lives unimportant?
Unnn,, I'm a bit slow,, but what does being free to do my thing have to do with a leash, pray tell?
03 Oct 21
@mghrn55 saidBless you MG, but I am a little late here.....can you back up just one step and define this leash to a conservative?
You are missing my point.
There is always a leash. No leash at all is an illusion.
You can't rob a bank. You can't run a red light.
The ongoing debates revolves around everyone's desire for selective freedoms.
You want your freedoms. I may want mine.
Some of the freedoms I want may not sit well with you.
And some of your freedoms may not sit well with me.
But th ...[text shortened]... ired when it is suggested that sometimes the government has to hold the leash.
That is my point.
04 Oct 21
@averagejoe1 saidSure ....... after I explain string theory to a dog....
Bless you MG, but I am a little late here.....can you back up just one step and define this leash to a conservative?
04 Oct 21
@metal-brain saidIf you don't get sick you don't occupy a hospital bed and your dumb ass doesn't take up space from, let's say, a kid with an appendicitis or a car wreck victim or whomever.
You are missing the point. Coercing vaccinations doesn't protect other people. It only protects the individual who gets vaccinated. Gene vaccine mandates don't give you any freedom at all.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/08/06/cdc_director_vaccines_no_longer_prevent_you_from_spreading_covid.html#!
If you get vaccinated you get the freedom to have a reduced chance of dying and others get the freedom of your dumb ass not adding to the healthcare system overload.
At this point i might have called you a retard and ask you to get the damn vaccine and stop spreading misinformation, but we all know you thrive on begging for attention and being the conspiracy nut of this forum so... what's even the point