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Originally posted by MetBierOpEh? I'm not willing to discuss it? 🙄 Apparently, you need me to state the obvious, so I shall.
Why do we let them have this influence?
Why are you not willing to discuss the subject?
One of the main functions of symbols is identification. If Neo-Nazis still use such symbology today, then it is ill-advised to also use them if you don't want to be identified with them.
14 Oct 08
Originally posted by MetBierOpPeople dont like this discussion, because by discussing it, we give the Nazi regime oxygen. By extolling Hitler's supposed virtues and the positive contribution he allegedly made for the German people, the fear is that we might inadvertantly send the wrong message to each new generation that comes along(especially the crop of likely neo nazi's who always manage to come along every generation or so) will try and find justification in the evil, perpetrated by the monstrous hate fuelled regime of Adolf Hitler. You have only to watch Adolf in action at those Nuremberg rallies, and witness all of that distilled anger, all of that long suppressed rage, to work out that the miracle of social transformation that he brought about, was built on such a foundation of hate, that whatever the achievements and supposed social advancement that his methods brought, they were always doomed to fail because they were gained on the back of the untold misery that his regime spawned. From this perspective what were his achievements then other than breaking the character of the German people.
Why do we let them have this influence?
Why are you not willing to discuss the subject?
From this perspective, there is nothing that his leadership achieved that is worthy of note. From this perspective all his achievements are tarnished. To try and work around this is to try and rehabilitate his memory and legacy, and ultimately, there are not that many people who are willing and comfortable in doing that right now.
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Originally posted by kmax87Even the economic revival has to be viewed in the perspective of his utter destruction of the German economy. Hitler's economic policies (deficit spending) were guaranteed to bring about war. Read: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1568/is_4_31/ai_55343571
From this perspective, there is nothing that his leadership achieved that is worthy of note. From this perspective all his achievements are tarnished. To try and work around this is to try and rehabilitate his memory and legacy, and ultimately, there are not that many people who are willing and comfortable in doing that right now.
"A summary of price and wage levels prepared for Hitler on 4 September 1935 showed almost half of the German work-force earning gross wages of 18 ReichMarks or less per week. This was substantially below the poverty line...Wages, then, remained at the 1932 level - substantially lower than the last pre-Depression year of 1928 in the much-maligned Weimar Republic. Food prices, on the other hand, had risen officially by 8 per cent since 1933. Overall living costs were higher by 5.4 per cent. Official rates did not, however, tell the whole tale. Increases of 33, 50, and even 150 per cent had been reported for some foodstuffs. By late summer, the terms 'food crisis' and 'provisions crisis' were in common use."
But maybe he weaned the Germans from their paranoid-aggressive victim mentality. They've been well behaved since 1945.
14 Oct 08
Originally posted by SeitseYeah... like a discussion about good points of Nazi politics and governmental structure always leads to holocaust denial???
Read Palynka's post.
But if you want to, we can also discuss if the Holocaust really happened and, if it did, if it was as horrible as recorded. Would you like that?
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Originally posted by MetBierOpI don't have the details, but there were Autobahns (we're not talking about just roads here) before Hitler. He just continue with this opus. And he got a helluva loto of loans from abroad. So there were no economic development. He didn't have to pay the loans back.
I don't believe so Fabian.
Offcourse there were roads. So it might be a matter of definition
14 Oct 08
Fact is that, even though some Nazi programs ,ie Autobahn, might have had positive side-effects, the underlying goal of every action in the run up to the war was to get Germany ready for war. So the purpose overshadows the result.
and once war started, you can forget trying to argue your point.
14 Oct 08
Originally posted by knightwestIt would be interesting to see what distortions and myths revisionists resort to in their efforts to portray Hitler as the author of an 'economic miracle'. Might be even more interesting to compare his deficit spending strategy with more contemporary economic approaches.
Apart from the VW Beetle
14 Oct 08
Originally posted by Bosse de NageI guess it's not hard to bring down unemployment when you kill a few millions.
It would be interesting to see what distortions and myths revisionists resort to in their efforts to portray Hitler as the author of an 'economic miracle'. Might be even more interesting to compare his deficit spending strategy with more contemporary economic approaches.